Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 11th Nov 2012 15:49 UTC
Windows "Yesterday my desktop died, and so I went ahead and got a brand new Windows 8 laptop. It's always been my feeling that as years go on, user experience has been going down for people who use a computer and the Internet, because of decisions all companies make that are clearly anti-user, either because they think they know best, or in many cases, for financial gains. But from spending all night reinstalling everything and customizing the laptop, I realized just how bad it has become." Probably the biggest reason to go Mac or Linux. Such a shame Microsoft found it more important to pressure OEMs into silly Secure Boot nonsense instead of doing something about the anti-user crapware disaster. Goes to show who Microsoft cares about. Hint: it ain't you.
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RE[2]: I couldn't agree more
by WereCatf on Sun 11th Nov 2012 20:52 UTC in reply to "RE: I couldn't agree more"
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

Linux will save us from crapware


Yeah, because no one has a need to run any sort of proprietary applications, all hardware works fully under Linux and there exists a free, F/OSS - version of every possible game and application? ...right.

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RE[3]: I couldn't agree more
by ze_jerkface on Mon 12th Nov 2012 00:10 in reply to "RE[2]: I couldn't agree more"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

heh? I don't think Linux is a viable mainstream alternative on the desktop. I was being sardonic.

Saying Linux will save us from crapware is like saying that staying home will save us from car crashes.

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RE[4]: I couldn't agree more
by ricegf on Mon 12th Nov 2012 12:53 in reply to "RE[3]: I couldn't agree more"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

To paraphrase Malcolm in Jurassic Park, "The market will find a way" to cut a few pennies of cost via any means possible.

But with Android, Google has responded with the Nexus line of crapware-free products, and they seem to be selling well. I bought a Nexus phone for my wife and tablet for my son, and they both love them.

So maybe there's hope after all.

Does the Surface come pre-loaded with crapware, or is Microsoft using the Nexus model for their first tablet?

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benali72 Member since:
2008-05-03

As an SA I support dozens of Linux desktop systems. It works fine for us, and at a major cost discount to the Windows alternative.

I define "crapware" as pre-installed adware, spyware, malware, and promotional offers (apps that work for a limited time before you must pay to keep them operating). Linux does not come with such pre-installed crapware. Windows does.

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RE[3]: I couldn't agree more
by lemur2 on Mon 12th Nov 2012 11:24 in reply to "RE[2]: I couldn't agree more"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Linux will save us from crapware


Yeah, because no one has a need to run any sort of proprietary applications, all hardware works fully under Linux and there exists a free, F/OSS - version of every possible game and application? ...right.
"

Sarcasm aside (of course there is not a FOSS version of every possible game and application), nevertheless there are 62,964 packages available for my Kubuntu 12.10 desktop system, of which I have a full suite of desktop applications installed for my purposes with only 1795 of those packages installed.

http://imgur.com/XFGwK

This represents a solution for all but the most specialised of desktop applications. Games are not well represented, but desktop machines are for desktop applications, most people play games on games consoles.

Whilst there are some applications within this selection that are not that good, at least there is no adware or other malware, and some of the selection is very good indeed. A large majority of desktop users would have their every need well satisfied by this range of available applications.

Edited 2012-11-12 11:26 UTC

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RE[4]: I couldn't agree more
by WereCatf on Mon 12th Nov 2012 12:16 in reply to "RE[3]: I couldn't agree more"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Games are not well represented, but desktop machines are for desktop applications, most people play games on games consoles.


I'm not going to say which platform has the most gamers, but considering things like World of Warcraft having over 10 million active subscriber, and Steam logging 5.6 million people online of whom 96% use Steam under Windows... well, I'd say tens of millions of people using desktop machines to play games is definitely not something one should just ignore. Oh, but again, that would go against your argument so you obviously do not wish to count them.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Games are not well represented, but desktop machines are for desktop applications, most people play games on games consoles.


Actually they don't.

Even if you don't count, WoW and Steam as Werecatf pointed out. Is most likely bigger than consoles.

A lot of these are flash/html5 and/or games made for gambling. A lot of these games are played by women ... Bingo is massively popular.

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