Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 11th Nov 2012 15:49 UTC
Windows "Yesterday my desktop died, and so I went ahead and got a brand new Windows 8 laptop. It's always been my feeling that as years go on, user experience has been going down for people who use a computer and the Internet, because of decisions all companies make that are clearly anti-user, either because they think they know best, or in many cases, for financial gains. But from spending all night reinstalling everything and customizing the laptop, I realized just how bad it has become." Probably the biggest reason to go Mac or Linux. Such a shame Microsoft found it more important to pressure OEMs into silly Secure Boot nonsense instead of doing something about the anti-user crapware disaster. Goes to show who Microsoft cares about. Hint: it ain't you.
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Comment by Nico57
by Nico57 on Sun 11th Nov 2012 22:56 UTC
Nico57
Member since:
2006-12-18

I'm surprised that Lenovo's name has not been pulled yet.
For me, they're hands down Kings of Crapware.
(Still, Google has more hits for hp+crapware than lenovo+crapware. I've been exposed to more Lenovo crapware than HP crapware, so my views may be biased.)

Anyway, the whole practice is totally sickening.
OEMs have long past the point where getting rid of their crap costs A WHOLE LOT more to the customer than what they're making from their "partnerships".

In the end, the responsibility really goes down to Microsoft.
Would they step out and tell OEMs to stop their dirty business, they'd have no choice but comply.
But of course they're also getting their share out of it.
Somehow, in this highly competitive market, crapware is a direct consequence of the MS tax.

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RE: Comment by Nico57
by leech on Sun 11th Nov 2012 23:22 in reply to "Comment by Nico57"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

Funny thing is, Lenovo (at least at one point in time) sold Linux based laptops (using SuSE Linux). They didn't have any crapware on them.

But let's take a closer look at the few OEMs that have ventured into Linux Land.

A person would think "They're using a free operating system, so the overall purchase price should be less than one that comes with Windows, right? Wrong, the Linux equivalent have actually cost the same if not more, historically.

This is because there weren't any random advertisement laden crap on there. That crap gives money to the OEMs for putting their crap on there. No crap, no discount.

The first x86 based PC that I had access to was my mother's that was a Pentium 75 Packard Bell. Yes, it had crap installed on it (well besides Windows 95) and Packard Bell 'recovery' CDs was a custom Windows disk that would reinstall all that same garbage.

Of course it also had that garbage Soundcard / Modem ISA card... but that's another story entirely.

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RE: Comment by Nico57
by n4cer on Mon 12th Nov 2012 22:53 in reply to "Comment by Nico57"
n4cer Member since:
2005-07-06


In the end, the responsibility really goes down to Microsoft.
Would they step out and tell OEMs to stop their dirty business, they'd have no choice but comply.
But of course they're also getting their share out of it.
Somehow, in this highly competitive market, crapware is a direct consequence of the MS tax.


Microsoft has asked OEMs to not install crapware with each major OS release since it became a problem. With Windows 2000 and XP, they tried to enforce a clean desktop, restricting what preinstalled apps could do, and the areas they could be displayed within the OS. The OEMs complained to the DOJ and MS was subsequently limited in the level of control they could exert, which is the main reason crapware flourished after a short lull.

Since they were limited in control that could be exerted via licensing/contracts, they've instead resorted limiting the integration points for new user interfaces and not allowing programatic access for actions that they feel should require user consent. The intent is most evident in their newer designs.

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