Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 11th Nov 2012 12:48 UTC
Legal Interesting news in the middle of the night: Apple and HTC have announced they've settled all their patent disputes, bringing an end to all running lawsuits between the two companies. The companies signed a ten-year cross-licensing deal. Considering Apple's legal assault on Android hasn't been going particularly well, this really shouldn't come as a surprise.
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RE[2]: Apple vs the world
by Gusar on Mon 12th Nov 2012 09:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Apple vs the world"
Gusar
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Particularly when HTC's market share has precipitously declined.
Yeah, though HTC's loss was not Apple's gain. HTC lost market share not because of Apple, but because of Samsung. Apple lost market share too, from dominance to 20%. They're also losing share in the tablet world and the trend isn't in their favor.

Then there's the other parts of TechGeek's post you didn't comment on - basically, Apple's only significant "victory" is a jury trial where there were several of problems with said jury. Everything else, all the injunctions that haven't been overturned yet, they have done nothing to help Apple in terms of market share.

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RE[3]: Apple vs the world
by jared_wilkes on Mon 12th Nov 2012 14:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Apple vs the world"
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2011-04-25

What percentage is "dominance" and what market are you describing?

Apple never had the dominant share of smartphones. For the first couple of years, it was Nokia and RIM and then it was briefly Apple on top but clearly Samsung was in the same league, before they were passed by Samsung. From "dominance to 20%" does not reconcile with any market share data. In the US, they've gone from 20% to 30+% from 2010 to 2012. Wordlwide metrics have them between 15-20% with incremental growth over the same period, some have them with small declines during the most recent product cycle lulls. No data shows Apple share collapsing from "dominance to 20%."

Edited 2012-11-12 14:30 UTC

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RE[3]: Apple vs the world
by jared_wilkes on Mon 12th Nov 2012 22:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Apple vs the world"
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2011-04-25

Then there's the other parts of TechGeek's post you didn't comment on - basically, Apple's only significant "victory" is a jury trial where there were several of problems with said jury. Everything else, all the injunctions that haven't been overturned yet, they have done nothing to help Apple in terms of market share.


I'd gladly respond to this, but TechGeek sent up the warning flag that he (or at least his argument) is irrational. If HTC is "beating" Apple, despite paying Apple for patent cross-licensing and being cut in half during the same time frame that Apple doubled because Apple has failed to completely halt the growth of all Android manufacturers, there is clearly little chance that a rational argument would also convince him that Apple is also beating Motorola and Samsung in the courtroom.

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RE[4]: Apple vs the world
by TechGeek on Tue 13th Nov 2012 00:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Apple vs the world"
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2006-01-14

"Then there's the other parts of TechGeek's post you didn't comment on - basically, Apple's only significant "victory" is a jury trial where there were several of problems with said jury. Everything else, all the injunctions that haven't been overturned yet, they have done nothing to help Apple in terms of market share.


I'd gladly respond to this, but TechGeek sent up the warning flag that he (or at least his argument) is irrational. If HTC is "beating" Apple, despite paying Apple for patent cross-licensing and being cut in half during the same time frame that Apple doubled because Apple has failed to completely halt the growth of all Android manufacturers, there is clearly little chance that a rational argument would also convince him that Apple is also beating Motorola and Samsung in the courtroom.
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You are mixing two different fact that may have no bearing on each other. Yes, HTC has lost share. But that may be more because of their own business decisions that anything Apple has done. Samsung has grown quite a bit, despite Apple's threats. Of course, it just may be that Samsung is better able to withstand Apple's assault due to size and Apple being a large customer. Either way, considering that HTC can now make device lawsuit free and only pay a small fee per device, I would hardly characterize this as a big win for Apple. Seems more like a draw considering Jobs "destroy Android" mentality.

As for Samsung and Motorola, if you think I missed something or got something wrong, by all means, lets hear it.

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