Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 11th Nov 2012 15:49 UTC
Windows "Yesterday my desktop died, and so I went ahead and got a brand new Windows 8 laptop. It's always been my feeling that as years go on, user experience has been going down for people who use a computer and the Internet, because of decisions all companies make that are clearly anti-user, either because they think they know best, or in many cases, for financial gains. But from spending all night reinstalling everything and customizing the laptop, I realized just how bad it has become." Probably the biggest reason to go Mac or Linux. Such a shame Microsoft found it more important to pressure OEMs into silly Secure Boot nonsense instead of doing something about the anti-user crapware disaster. Goes to show who Microsoft cares about. Hint: it ain't you.
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Colonel Panic
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2005-07-28

And you are totally missing the point in this whole argument. Why in hell should be have to pay extra at the Microsoft store to get crap removed that shouldn't have ever been on the computer to begin with!!!! And the other point the OP was trying to make is in all the intervening years the situation of crapware instead of getting better for the consumer is actually becoming so intrusive as to be unmanageable for the GENERAL consumer.
You sound like a shill for the OEM's-"Well, if they don't craptize your computer it will more expensive". Well sister if the OEM's can't make a profit off of their glorious hardware alone maybe they should go bankrupt because they are hurting their own customers at the cost of profit.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

And you are totally missing the point in this whole argument. Why in hell should be have to pay extra at the Microsoft store to get crap removed that shouldn't have ever been on the computer to begin with!!!!


Go back and read what I said. I clearly said several times that the situation shouldn't be like this. But you're still barking up the wrong tree.

You sound like a shill for the OEM's-"Well, if they don't craptize your computer it will more expensive".


Pull that stick out of your arsehole before it enters all the way into your brains and learn to read, like e.g. in the very first comment of this whole thread I already said "Similarly, one thing I already proposed years ago is that PC-manufacturers should stop pre-installing all that stuff" -- you quite clearly completely missed that.

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Colonel Panic Member since:
2005-07-28

"Pull that stick out of your arsehole before it enters all the way into your brains and learn to read"


Nice reply, very adult. Now I know why I don't post on this forum very much. And for your info my reading comp exceeds yours by lightyears. I was trying to make a point and I will leave it there.

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ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

I'm not sure you understand economics. The crapware vendors pay the PC vendors to pre-install all that crap. The highly competitive PC market then causes the crapware-infested PC vendors to lower their prices below a sustainable level for the non-crapware PC vendors. In short, crapware PCs are cheaper.

And the public chooses the cheaper PCs in droves, driving most of the companies selling the quality PCs from the market.

When a selection of Ubuntu PCs were shipping from major vendors during the Vista debacle, I saw lots of complaints that pre-installing a no-cost OS actually drove the cost of the PC up. To this day, I don't think many of the complainers understood that the vendor cost of using Windows is negative, because the crapware payments more than cover the "Microsoft Tax".

My long-time barber has a sign in his shop: "They pain of a bad haircut will last far longer than the joy of a lower price." Works for PCs, too.

Support crap-free PCs with your dollars - Linux, Apple or even clean whitebox Windows produced locally - or else suck it up. You get what you pay for.

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