Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 11th Nov 2012 15:49 UTC
Windows "Yesterday my desktop died, and so I went ahead and got a brand new Windows 8 laptop. It's always been my feeling that as years go on, user experience has been going down for people who use a computer and the Internet, because of decisions all companies make that are clearly anti-user, either because they think they know best, or in many cases, for financial gains. But from spending all night reinstalling everything and customizing the laptop, I realized just how bad it has become." Probably the biggest reason to go Mac or Linux. Such a shame Microsoft found it more important to pressure OEMs into silly Secure Boot nonsense instead of doing something about the anti-user crapware disaster. Goes to show who Microsoft cares about. Hint: it ain't you.
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RE[6]: Comment by marcp
by lucas_maximus on Mon 12th Nov 2012 16:02 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by marcp"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

BSD gives me the freedom to make software proprietary; that's more freedom for corporations, but less for end users.


Sorry? How? Surely it is equal to both?

Both the end user and a corp are free to do what they want with the code.

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RE[7]: Comment by marcp
by zlynx on Mon 12th Nov 2012 20:41 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by marcp"
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2005-07-20

It isn't directly less free for the end-user but the result is less free eventually.

The proprietary fork of a BSD project will attract more users because of the added features and polish. Things like QA testing and documentation, which are often sadly lacking in unfunded open source projects.

As time goes on the original BSD project becomes the unloved poor relative that no one actually wants to use so the choice becomes the "freedom" to use old crap or proprietary good stuff.

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RE[8]: Comment by marcp
by lucas_maximus on Mon 12th Nov 2012 21:04 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by marcp"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

It isn't directly less free for the end-user but the result is less free eventually.


No it isn't ... the result is still free.

The proprietary fork of a BSD project will attract more users because of the added features and polish. Things like QA testing and documentation, which are often sadly lacking in unfunded open source projects.


No shit. It still doesn't mean the BSD project is less free.

As time goes on the original BSD project becomes the unloved poor relative that no one actually wants to use so the choice becomes the "freedom" to use old crap or proprietary good stuff.


There is no evidence of this.

Apple has contributed code back to BSD projects, I believe Google has and other companies.

It depends whether keeping the code BSD is in the companies interest or not (just like keeping it GPL can be as well).

Both have their places.

Believing in black and white realities, when everything is a shade of grey ... hurts every community and stop communication between the two and an exchange of ideas.

It becomes repetitive and pointless.

Edited 2012-11-12 21:11 UTC

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