Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 12th Nov 2012 15:56 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Can you believe they've come this far by now? Once known as OpenBeOS, Haiku today announced the release of the fourth alpha for Haiku R1. It seems like only yesterday when BeOS died and OpenBeOS rose form its ashes, generating a new hope among the legions of avid BeOS fans. Now, almost twelve years later, we've hit the fourth alpha.
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RE: Sarcasm much?
by henderson101 on Tue 13th Nov 2012 12:15 UTC in reply to "Sarcasm much?"
henderson101
Member since:
2006-05-30

That common cause being...? As many others point out, Linux is not what these developers want. The API of all three are incompatible (though Syllable mimics the BeAPI quite a lot.) They all strive for a different goal. What commonality are you seeing here?

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RE[2]: Sarcasm much?
by aliquis on Tue 13th Nov 2012 15:57 in reply to "RE: Sarcasm much?"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

The developers are of course free to do what they want with their time.

Me I just want a good OS. It doesn't have to be what AmigaOS was in my case.

For me personally I would likely had benefited if they all had worked together on a common OS because well, then maybe I would had used that instead of not using either of them as is today. Though Icaros desktop seem very interesting and something I kinda would had wanted to run by now.

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RE[3]: Sarcasm much?
by henderson101 on Tue 13th Nov 2012 17:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Sarcasm much?"
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2006-05-30

You can't fit a square peg in to a round hole. All three projects, plus ReactOS, are trying to target a different goal. Any similarities AtheOS had to BeOS have been squished quite a lot by Syllable's direction towards their weird little VM language intepreter pet project. The AROS is an Amiga alike OS. ReactOS want's NT compatibility. Haiku wants BeOS compatibility. BeOS has absolutely nothing to do with AmigaOS, bar some UI ideas they borrowed. It borrowed as much (if not more) from MacOS classic UI.

Again, where is the commonality? There is none. The only thing 3 of the projects have in common is that they want to recreate another OS in a way that is (somewhat) compatible with the original OS. Syllable is the only one that has no legacy leanings, but I wouldn't hold Syllable up as a model for OS development, not since Vanders etc left the project.

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RE[2]: Sarcasm much?
by aliquis on Tue 13th Nov 2012 16:00 in reply to "RE: Sarcasm much?"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

I guess one way too see it is that Syllable seemed like something which kinda wanted to take the good stuff / hints from BeOS and AmigaOS and use them anyway. But it's not really neither.

Haiku is focused on being what BeOS was. Or at least was focused on that. Rather than being what BeOS could had been, BeOS would had been now or an OS with the same benefits as BeOS but something new.

Similarly AROS always was about being like AmigaOS on x86. Not a modern OS with the benefits of AmigaOS only better.

I liked AmigaOS but I'm not using and wouldn't really want to use AmigaOS now almost 30 years later. I don't really see why that should be your goal. I'd rather have something new.

Your interest and opinion may be different.
There's of course MorphOS and SkyOS to. And IMHO that's a lot of talent and ideas and work put into all those and more products without neither one becoming a larger player as is. They would of course had reached longer if they all had worked on the same product ;) , though then maybe variation and different ideas is better and as some people for whatever reason has mentioned not everyone want Linux and while that was never what I said not everyone might had wanted that Syllable+Haiku+AROS+SkyOS+MorphOS-developers product. Me I might had been interested ;)

Edited 2012-11-13 16:05 UTC

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RE[3]: Sarcasm much?
by cipri on Tue 13th Nov 2012 16:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Sarcasm much?"
cipri Member since:
2007-02-15

There's of course MorphOS and SkyOS to


SkyOS? It died nearly 10 years ago. Even the last post message on their homepage is from 2006.

And Syllable is as good as dead too. As good as all devs are gone, and the improvements in the last 5 3-4 years, are as good as zero. There are no devs to fix the most simple bugs. Just look at their changelog, and you will see how few and how trivial stuff you find in there, things that are even not woth to be mentionated.

Haiku on the other side, has all changes to grow out of the "hobby os" image. It's needed to bring the packagemanager into a user-userable state, enable hw acceleration, enable window composition, update the GUI to a modern one with transparencies and so on... (and add some more drivers) and you will all agree that it's a quite modern os.
In terms of useability I really think, that haiku has a chance to catch up and to over run most linux-based OSs in the next few years.

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