Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 12th Nov 2012 15:56 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Can you believe they've come this far by now? Once known as OpenBeOS, Haiku today announced the release of the fourth alpha for Haiku R1. It seems like only yesterday when BeOS died and OpenBeOS rose form its ashes, generating a new hope among the legions of avid BeOS fans. Now, almost twelve years later, we've hit the fourth alpha.
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RE[6]: Comment by rain
by rain on Tue 13th Nov 2012 23:43 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by rain"
rain
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I don't know ...a variant of Linux is ready - it's actually shipping, and clearly good enough to be massively popular. I'd say that's being far better suited for the task than any hypothetical Haiku offshot. :p


My point was that you need a pretty powerful device to get a decent Android experience.
I don't know how much linux is to blame for that from a technical standpoint, perhaps not as much. It could just as well be cultural thing. The end result is the same none the less.

If even Microsoft being the "3rd ecosystem" is not certain, there's much less hope for any smaller players...


I depends a lot on if it gets a powerful hardware manufacturer to stand behind it. That was the only thing that made Android a success. What would it be without Samsung?

No-one has the same kind of grip that MS had on the desktop. At least not yet. The situation is very different from that standpoint.
The fact that pretty much no one has a relationship to BeOS is just an advantage in my opinion really.

If I was to choose a foundation for a mobile OS today I think Haiku would be among my first choices. In fact, that was my first thought when I saw the iPhone for the first time. "Hey, Haiku would be perfect for that thing"

Again, I'm not saying that it would be an easy task, and I'm not saying that its even needed. But the chance of ever gaining a user share other than old BeOS nostalgics on the desktop is non existent. If someone would want it to become used by people it would have to be on mobile devices, televisions and such.

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RE[7]: Comment by rain
by zima on Fri 16th Nov 2012 06:15 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by rain"
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2005-07-06

My point was that you need a pretty powerful device to get a decent Android experience.
I don't know how much linux is to blame for that from a technical standpoint, perhaps not as much. It could just as well be cultural thing. The end result is the same none the less.

I don't think it matters much. As I hinted in the previous post, the mobiles are undergoing what the PCs did in the decade starting in mid-90s, a "Moore's Race". Lack of ~performance won't be an issue, you can say it isn't already (the lowly-end getting 1 GHz Cortex A8: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaTek - this SoC manufacturer is what powers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanzhai )

Plus, it's definitely not so much about Linux itself - there were pre-Android mobile phones based on it, with modest hardware, working fine (for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Rokr#E2 ). It's just that the world chose lately a slightly "heavy" layer on top of Linux, in the form of Android ...which also gives great capabilities, so it's a good trade I guess.

I depends a lot on if it gets a powerful hardware manufacturer to stand behind it. That was the only thing that made Android a success. What would it be without Samsung?

Oh I would think quite a few Android manufacturers would love that, since they could be more easily on top and/or not struggling for survival. But I doubt it would be much different for us - Android seems to be what the world wants, it would prop up some other manufacturer if Samsung didn't pick it up.

BTW, Huawei and ZTE are also riding successfully on the rise of Android, ZTE is by now probably the 3rd largest mobile maker.

No-one has the same kind of grip that MS had on the desktop. At least not yet. The situation is very different from that standpoint.
The fact that pretty much no one has a relationship to BeOS is just an advantage in my opinion really.
If I was to choose a foundation for a mobile OS today I think Haiku would be among my first choices. In fact, that was my first thought when I saw the iPhone for the first time. "Hey, Haiku would be perfect for that thing"

But MS didn't start from such position, they earned it in early-to-mid-90s by being the best option (among the all-somehow-bad): http://www.osnews.com/thread?522221
Haiku now would be already in a similar position as BeOS then. Haiku/BeOS pre-iPhone, maybe ...but Apple bought Next, not Be, so that closed the possibility here. As for Android, WP - those are made for developer familiarity, where Haiku is also largely out of the question.

the chance of ever gaining a user share other than old BeOS nostalgics on the desktop is non existent. If someone would want it to become used by people it would have to be on mobile devices, televisions and such.

Maybe, maybe not - sometimes I see it doing well on low-powered ~netbooks (what LXDE apparently also targets): mostly a WWW terminal, plus some ~office, IM, media player.

As for ~mobile ...IMHO you overlook what an immense amount of work would need to happen before Haiku would be useful on such - and without any guarantee it would be even on par with read-for-the-taking Android
(or... why not OPIE, or GPE, or Maemo? All open source)

Edited 2012-11-16 06:17 UTC

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