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RE[2]: IE10 still disappointing
by darknexus on Thu 15th Nov 2012 16:17
in reply to "RE: IE10 still disappointing"
Opus showed to be better than Vorbis, MP3 and AAC in listening tests most of the time.
Then those listeners must have been deaf, because right now, Opus is good for nothing except pure spoken word. Try encoding music with it, then try using AAC or HE-AAC (a decent AAC encoder, not FAAC) to encode the same source material. No matter the bitrate (unless you get it too high to matter) any music or other non-voice audio stream encoded via the free Opus encoder sounds like the audio is being filtered through grains of sand. Opus is a superior bitstream to AAC, but at the moment the encoder has zero psychoacoustical models to best offset the artifacts introduced by compression. Opus, at the moment, is much more of a high quality replacement for Speex than a replacement for MP3 and AAC.
RE[3]: IE10 still disappointing
by lemur2 on Fri 16th Nov 2012 01:27
in reply to "RE[2]: IE10 still disappointing"
"Opus showed to be better than Vorbis, MP3 and AAC in listening tests most of the time.
Then those listeners must have been deaf, because right now, Opus is good for nothing except pure spoken word. Try encoding music with it, then try using AAC or HE-AAC (a decent AAC encoder, not FAAC) to encode the same source material. No matter the bitrate (unless you get it too high to matter) any music or other non-voice audio stream encoded via the free Opus encoder sounds like the audio is being filtered through grains of sand. Opus is a superior bitstream to AAC, but at the moment the encoder has zero psychoacoustical models to best offset the artifacts introduced by compression. Opus, at the moment, is much more of a high quality replacement for Speex than a replacement for MP3 and AAC. "
If this is so then for applications at the high quality end one should probably still choose Vorbis for use over the web. Vorbis is better than mp3 but not quite as good as AAC.
Vorbis is the choice of the Wikimedia Foundation:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home
Because it is a well-performed, open, royalty-free codec, Vorbis is the natural choice for web audio. After many years, IE still does not support audio on the web properly.
Edited 2012-11-16 01:35 UTC





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My hope is that Opus will find broad adoption eventually. It is not just an open codec with a great free implementation (in floating- and fixed-point variants), it is also part of the official IETF WebRTC standard. Microsoft was part of the development team (via Skype) and Opus showed to be better than Vorbis, MP3 and AAC in listening tests most of the time. It is said to be the best low bitrate and the best high bitrate lossy codec all in one (well, it does consist of two sub-codecs).
I hope opus support will come as an update to IE 10 (and thus also to Windows 7). But if not I think it should at least be supported by IE 11.