Linked by Howard Fosdick on Fri 16th Nov 2012 07:43 UTC
Windows A California man is suing Microsoft, alledging that his Surface tablet did not provide the advertised amount of disk space. The 32G device has 16G of space for users, as the operating system uses the other 16G. The 64G Surface leaves 45G free for users. The case will turn on whether Microsoft has clearly explained to customers how much free space the Surface leaves for their use outside of the OS. How much disk space does your OS consume?
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RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer
by ilovebeer on Fri 16th Nov 2012 18:04 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by ilovebeer"
ilovebeer
Member since:
2011-08-08

No, the crux of the matter is that MS is advertising a tablet as having "32" gb of storage space and not specifying, clearly, that ACTUAL usable space is a LOT less.

Unless I am mistaken. No one that is sane is arguing otherwise. Just ignore the trolls.

Apple doesn't advertise actual usable space for their ipads. Google doesn't advertise actual usable space for their Nexus 7. Amazon doesn't advertise actual usable space for their Kindle Fire HD. Nobody says anything about it until Microsoft doesn't advertise actual usable space for their Surface. Then all of a sudden this is a huge deal and Microsoft is engaged in false advertisement.

People should easily be able to see how ridiculous it is to blow a hole in their shorts over this. The issue was a non-issue until Microsoft did it too. Then all of a sudden people are all up in arms. It's not because of their "deception" that people readily accept from other tablet makers, ..it's simply because it's Microsoft and people love to piss all over the place when it's Microsoft.

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RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer
by majipoor on Fri 16th Nov 2012 18:11 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer"
majipoor Member since:
2009-01-22

A 32GB iPad has 28GB available while a 32GB Surface has 16GB. Can't you understand that at some point it becomes false advertising?

In many reviews I've read one can read that the Surface is cheaper than the iPad by $100, the 32GB Surface being priced as the 16GB iPad which is seen by many as a clear advantage. Problem is that the 32GB Surface should be compared to the 16GB iPad in which case the price advantage disappear.

If this is fair advertising for you, fine, but many won't agree.

Edited 2012-11-16 18:12 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Nelson on Fri 16th Nov 2012 18:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Surface comes bundled with Office and more preinstalled apps than an iPad.

On top of that, a Surface has microSd expandability (which the iPad lacks) and 2x USB ports (which iPad lacks) and features a full blown Office suite. (including OneNote MX)

Windows RT also includes 7GB of free SkyDrive storage (25GB if you got grandfathered like me) and unlimited streaming of music over Xbox Music for 6months.

Some people will reply to me, call cloud storage the devil, mention that its THEIR data, bring up some conspiracy theory that Microsoft will one day shut them off from their data, etc

Then someone will reply about FLAC and all their high quality albums (apparently they need to carry 50GB of albums everywhere they go, or something ridiculous like that)

Surface is not for you. There really is no device that will ever suit your needs. Especially not a Microsoft one.

To me and a majority of others, cloud storage is palatable and even desirable. I enjoy having my data automatically sync between all my devices. I enjoy freeing up storage for other things while storing documents and music and videos and photos on the cloud. It is convenient. Maybe it doesn't fit your philosophical views, but who cares?

But let's go beyond the bullshit for a minute: You cannot enter a class action lawsuit against Microsoft. You may resolve your disputes in small claims court or using binding arbitration. This entire article is a moot point.

Edited 2012-11-16 18:31 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by ilovebeer
by ilovebeer on Fri 16th Nov 2012 19:44 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

A 32GB iPad has 28GB available while a 32GB Surface has 16GB. Can't you understand that at some point it becomes false advertising?

It doesn't matter if the ipad has 28GB available or 2.8GB available. Advertising a 32GB Surface as 32GB is exactly the same as advertising a 32GB ipad as 32GB. Does the device come with 32GB? Yes. They are not advertising "32GB of free space available" therefore they are not falsely advertising their product.

I will point out, again, that Apple, Google, and Amazon don't advertise how much free space is available either. Microsoft is doing nothing more, less, or worse than any of them. Yet when they do it it's fine but when Microsoft follows their lead, certain people start crying foul. It's just dumb.

It's almost sad how quickly people throw common sense out the window just to try taking a cheap (and unjustified) jab at Microsoft.

In many reviews I've read one can read that the Surface is cheaper than the iPad by $100, the 32GB Surface being priced as the 16GB iPad which is seen by many as a clear advantage. Problem is that the 32GB Surface should be compared to the 16GB iPad in which case the price advantage disappear.

No, ...the 32GB Surface should be compared to other 32GB devices.

Moving the goal posts in an attempt to take away an advantage only means you have no real merit for your case.

If this is fair advertising for you, fine, but many won't agree.

Of course it's fair. There isn't a single company advertising how much "free space available" their device comes with. At least with the Surface you have a few expansion options -- good luck plugging a $40 64GB SDXC card into your ipad.

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RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Lorin on Sat 17th Nov 2012 01:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer"
Lorin Member since:
2010-04-06

Everyone else advertises their devices 16, 32 64 GB devices, Microsoft advertised 32GB of storage space, which means that is what is available to use. Using the words "storage space" changes everything.

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RE[4]: Comment by ilovebeer
by ilovebeer on Sat 17th Nov 2012 01:19 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

Everyone else advertises their devices 16, 32 64 GB devices, Microsoft advertised 32GB of storage space, which means that is what is available to use. Using the words "storage space" changes everything.

No, ...it doesn't. The device DOES have 32GB of storage. Part of it is used by the OS. Just like every other device.

Some people try to find any pathetic excuse to cry about Microsoft, I swear.

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