Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 28th Nov 2012 15:17 UTC
Windows "As we pass the one month anniversary of the general availability of Windows 8, we are pleased to announce that to-date Microsoft has sold 40 million Windows 8 licenses. Tami Reller shared this news with industry and financial analysts, investors and media today at the Credit Suisse 2012 Annual Technology Conference. Windows 8 is outpacing Windows 7 in terms of upgrades." Not bad, but there are the usual asterisks, as Ars notes.
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RE[2]: Yeah.
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 29th Nov 2012 00:53 UTC in reply to "RE: Yeah."
UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

Why? It does not make a difference, a license is a license. The granularity or location of the sale seems irrelevant, as long as desktop and laptop PCs sell microsoft will sell tons of windows licenses since they have a near monopoly in that space.

A [most likely] forced license with a new PC sale vs. a license that the user willfully purchased. That's the difference, and it's a huge one.

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RE[3]: Yeah.
by tylerdurden on Thu 29th Nov 2012 01:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah."
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

It is not a huge difference, it is an attempt to split hairs in order to build whatever argument based on pure appeal to emotion. I.e. nobody is forcing anyone to buy a PC running windows at gun point.

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RE[4]: Yeah.
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 29th Nov 2012 02:01 in reply to "RE[3]: Yeah."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

It is not a huge difference, it is an attempt to split hairs in order to build whatever argument based on pure appeal to emotion. I.e. nobody is forcing anyone to buy a PC running windows at gun point.

What's the alternative? A cheaply-made yet over-priced Mac without even the ability to easily swap parts and an even more locked down OS? Those Windows 7 PCs that OEMs are already trying to send to the sidelines, as they have already made Windows 8 the default in most cases, and will eventually try to ditch completely soon enough?

Edited 2012-11-29 02:02 UTC

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RE[3]: Yeah.
by Bobthearch on Thu 29th Nov 2012 02:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah."
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2006-01-27

A [most likely] forced license with a new PC sale vs. a license that the user willfully purchased. That's the difference, and it's a huge one.


Isn't the same thing true with Windows 7 licenses a couple of years ago and XP licenses way back when?

That's the point, comparing Windows 8 to previous versions. The comparison is no good if different methods are used.

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RE[4]: Yeah.
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 29th Nov 2012 04:02 in reply to "RE[3]: Yeah."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

The problem is, Windows sales statistics always were bullshit, and they will always work in Microsoft's favor as long as things stay the way they have been. No new Windows release is going to stop the sales of PCs, and Microsoft has all the OEMs right in their pockets.

Traditionally all so-called "Windows sales," for the most part, have really been PC sales and/or mass OEM purchases. Trying to use these supposed Windows sales figures as any kind of real data for comparisons to actual OS sales of Windows 7, Vista or any other version of Windows is just downright stupid. They're all mangled to the point of complete uselessness.

Chances are, today there are more computer users and more computers in circulation than ever more, and both numbers are continuing to grow. Meanwhile, as they grow, the numbers of people buying new, replacement machines for older and/or broken ones increases. These machines will undoubtedly come with Windows 8. Are you seriously claiming that all of these were deliberate impulse buys just to get Windows 8 as an impulse buy and be an early adopter?

Of course... Drumhellar brought up some very good points, that basically the results are skewed even further from Microsoft's heavy "upgrade" discounts, so in reality, the Windows 8 "sales" are probably even more corrupt than ever before.

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RE[3]: Yeah.
by zima on Sat 1st Dec 2012 12:30 in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah."
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

A [most likely] forced license with a new PC sale vs. a license that the user willfully purchased. That's the difference, and it's a huge one.

"Forced"? Keep telling yourself that... People like and want Windows, it's almost certainly pirated more than the number of desktop Linux users.

Nearby you ask "What's the alternative?" WRT "nobody is forcing anyone to buy a PC running windows at gun point" - well... get a laptop without OS, or with Linux.

Visiting "laptops" category of ceneo.pl (possibly the most popular and well-known here catalogue of products and online shops; surely you have similar services...) quite often shows a model without Windows at the top of popularity; and generally, "no OS" & "Linux"* filters give http://www.ceneo.pl/Laptopy;017P8-250094-250095.htm few hundred results. But BTW, most of those machines end up with Windows, anyway (oh, and that's no-crapware-included Windows) - at best a MSDNAA license.


*that's often just a smokescreen of the reputable big PC maker, who can say ~"we don't facilitate piracy, all of our machines are sold with an operating system" or such. Devil is often in the details: in one case I've seen, it was just a Knoppix live-DVD thrown into the box; in another, some Linux installation which didn't and couldn't boot into X, Linux lacked support for the GFX chip in that laptop. Few years ago, one reputable PC maker even sold laptops with "DOS2000"...

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