Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 28th Nov 2012 16:32 UTC
Gnome Not even GNOME itself could ignore the GNOME 3 criticism for much longer. "As part of the planning for the DropOrFixFallbackMode feature, we've decided that we will compile a list of supported gnome-shell extensions. This will be a small list, focused on just bringing back some central 'classic' UX elements: classic alt tab, task bar, min/max buttons, main menu. To ensure that these extensions keep working, we will release them as a tarball, just like any other module."
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RE: Here we are again...
by ndrw on Fri 30th Nov 2012 00:39 UTC in reply to "Here we are again..."
ndrw
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2009-06-30

The problem is, we can't. Gnome 2 was the face of Linux. It wasn't perfect (I preferred Xfce even then) but it was familiar to newcomers and sufficiently unobtrusive for experienced users.

Now, new users are presented with either unfamiliar Unity, KDE which is an island of its own, or a whole slew of more or less niche desktops: Mate, Xfce, Gnome 3, Cinnamon etc. This is now how you gain mind and market share, and without it we will all soon be like ham radio enthusiasts.

The biggest mistake was to allow Gnome guys to destroy Gnome 2. They wanted to play with something new? Fine, but the rest of us should not distribute it until they have resolved naming conflicts with Gnome 2. Pushing this task to Mate developers was simply wrong. Not only they wasted a year of work but also we've all lost a popular brand.

Another solution to naming conflicts would be to change the directory structure and install each group of packages in its own --prefix. This is what every single UNIX workstation is using for managing third-party applications.

Talking about workstations, I'm also interested in what we'll get after RHEL6. I can't really see Gnome Shell in this role. Not that I have to worry about it - it wouldn't be qualified by our software vendors anyway. And since an OS is either qualified in its default configuration or not at all, it raises an interesting question about the future of RHEL.

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RE[2]: Here we are again...
by Jason Bourne on Fri 30th Nov 2012 21:38 in reply to "RE: Here we are again..."
Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

Talking about workstations, I'm also interested in what we'll get after RHEL6. I can't really see Gnome Shell in this role. Not that I have to worry about it - it wouldn't be qualified by our software vendors anyway. And since an OS is either qualified in its default configuration or not at all, it raises an interesting question about the future of RHEL.


You just made a very sensible point. I am sure Red Hat is looking into this. Don't be surprised if tomorrow Red Hat announces XFCE as their new default user interface. If they did something like they did in the past, with Bluecurv'ing KDE and GNOME; tweak XFCE and clean up its rough edges, then XFCE would gain real momentum.

Debian has already changed to XFCE as default, although being pretty cynical about the real motives.

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RE[3]: Here we are again...
by ndrw on Sat 1st Dec 2012 00:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Here we are again..."
ndrw Member since:
2009-06-30

I have no idea what they are going to do next. Until recently I thought they would simply deploy an improved Gnome Fallback-Mode and I was really surprised they let it die so easily.

Maybe they just don't care about the user experience and will keep shipping their rusty version of Gnome 2 for the next decade? If so, including a new-ish version of Xfce as an alternative to it sounds like a good idea.

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RE[3]: Here we are again...
by neruson on Sat 1st Dec 2012 03:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Here we are again..."
neruson Member since:
2011-09-18

Red Hat has announced That RHEL 7 will ship with Gnome 3, but most system admins don't use a graphical interface very often so I doubt they'll care too much. There were rumors that Debian was going to change their default to Xfce because they were having trouble fitting Gnome 3 on one Live Cd but I guess they figured out a way to do it and Gnome is still their default at the moment.

The interesting one to watch will be Red Hat. They've always been a strong financial supporter of the Gnome Project and if the Shell does actually end up cutting into their profits and they drop support for it. Gnome is going to have some real problems...

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