Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 4th Dec 2012 09:50 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "For a seventh consecutive month, the Samsung Galaxy S III is the most popular smartphone in the United Kingdom. The data compiled by uSwitch is based on live searches, pre-orders, as well as postpaid sales. Curiously, Apple's current smartphone flagship is not even second. The iPhone 5 is outperformed by its predecessor, whose lower price and improved contract offers helped it remain appealing. The Samsung Galaxy S II completes the quartet at the top. The rest of the top ten smartphones is entirely an Android party. It includes the Google Nexus 4, who entered the rankings a solid fifth. The second half of the top ten includes the Samsung Galaxy Ace, Samsung Galaxy Note 2, Sony Xperia U, HTC One X, as well as the Samsung Galaxy Ace 2." This is getting ridiculous, and it's not good for the market. For the love of Fiona, people, buy something that's not Android. I don't want to live in an Android-dominated smartphone world.
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RE: Well
by henderson101 on Tue 4th Dec 2012 10:22 UTC in reply to "Wellâ¦"
henderson101
Member since:
2006-05-30

All very well till you get a virus, or worse. Only the other day my 7yo daughter downloaded a third party app from the Play Store that did some insanely scary things (installed a bunch of extra short cuts to the home screen, told the user the device had a virus when opening the app and then directed them to a site to install some random software to "remove" the virus.) The bootloader isn't even unlocked, the device just has the "install from other sources" on so that we can use the Amazon Appstore. If I hadn't been there to immediately delete the app and run through some safety checks (and re-run AVG - for all the good that did me initially) it could have been a lot worse.

I'm happy for you, but curated is the only safe option for anyone that hasn't got the skills to protect themselves (i.e. most regular people.)

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RE[2]: Well
by Ford Prefect on Tue 4th Dec 2012 11:01 in reply to "RE: Well"
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

Protection is always excuse #1 for oppression.

I understand your problem and a use-case of a locked-down device. However it should be the user who opts for the lock. As you said, it was your choice to allow installations from unverified sources. That you had to make the choice (to be able to use the other app store) is a technical detail to be solved.

The behavior of Apple and Microsoft with their platforms does not have a technical reason and therefore will not be solved. Apple is getting more insane every day. But I am very disappointed of Microsoft. They always had the philosophy of an open platform, although using other means of getting ahead of competition (e.g. undocumented API features...). At least they never got into the way of the user. But this changed already with Windows 7 (talking about DRM "features" here).

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RE[3]: Well
by henderson101 on Tue 4th Dec 2012 16:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Well"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

it was your choice to allow installations from unverified sources. That you had to make the choice (to be able to use the other app store) is a technical detail to be solved.


Either Amazon need a mechanism to allow the option to be turned on, or Google need to allow other App stores. We digress... you missed one salient point - the app in question was from the Google Play Store, so therefore the Google Play Store is opening up users to dangerous apps. My daughter is 7, but I'm not. Would I have installed the app? No. Do I have to lock down my device and prevent her from enjoying using it? Why should I have to? I've certainly never had this happen to an iOS devices I own and this stinks.

The behavior of Apple and Microsoft with their platforms does not have a technical reason and therefore will not be solved.


With all due respect, bullshit. Opening up naive users to dangerous apps is completely unacceptable.

Apple is getting more insane every day.


Exaggeration. The situation changes very little "daily".

But I am very disappointed of Microsoft. They always had the philosophy of an open platform,


Hyperbole.

although using other means of getting ahead of competition (e.g. undocumented API features...).


Undocumented API.. LOLACOASTER! Read Raymond Chen's blog. You'll fairly quickly understand why the undocumented API's existed (hint, Microsoft frequently had a gung-ho attitude to adding new features and programmers that purposefully fudged, hacked around and patched their way through features they were too lazy to fix or had a personal vendetta to include/remove.)

At least they never got into the way of the user.


Cry me a river. Nothing you've mentioned so far is "getting in the way" of the user. Nothing.

But this changed already with Windows 7 (talking about DRM "features" here).


God forbid there should be any security or any way to protect your digital assets! God forbid!! Clueless.

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RE[2]: Well
by c0m47053 on Tue 4th Dec 2012 11:51 in reply to "RE: Well"
c0m47053 Member since:
2011-05-12

May I suggest something like Kids Place? It's a homescreen replacement that you can install from the Play Store to limit what can be run. You password protect the app, and it runs in whitelist mode until the password is entered. It's a pretty good solution when young children are using Android devices.

'Normal' users have lived in a Windows world for a fairly long time now, and while malware is a problem, it hasn't had much impact on adoption.

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RE[2]: Well
by Radio on Tue 4th Dec 2012 12:28 in reply to "RE: Well"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Your 7 y.o. daughter did something bad, so we should lock down our devices as if we were all 7 y.o.

Can't argue with your logic.

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RE[3]: Well
by henderson101 on Tue 4th Dec 2012 16:51 in reply to "RE[2]: Well"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

No, that's not the point. The point is this: if you can't trust apps from the Play Store, what is the point of having the option to install untrusted sources in the first place? If I'm requires to have that option turned on to protect my kids from the *Play Store* and feel obligated to have an anti virus solution installed, I admit defeat. Anyone want a Nexus 7, cheap? Seriously. Android is a festering turd.

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RE[2]: Well
by robmv on Tue 4th Dec 2012 13:37 in reply to "RE: Well"
robmv Member since:
2006-08-12

Let allow the government to ban unprotected sex, and install devices on our private parts to enforce it. The next time you plan to have a family, you will need to write a request to the government institution requesting for a special digital certificate you can sign your device in order to allow open intercourse with your partner. Or you can jailbreak the device too, but that will not be legal in the future

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RE[3]: Well
by henderson101 on Tue 4th Dec 2012 16:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Well"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Here is the point.






































































Here is you.

(hint.. you missed it.)

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RE[3]: Well
by lucas_maximus on Tue 4th Dec 2012 20:13 in reply to "RE[2]: Well"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Did someone just make reproductive rights equivalent to rooting your smart-phone?

I am f--king appalled.

Edited 2012-12-04 20:17 UTC

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RE[2]: Well
by tylerdurden on Wed 5th Dec 2012 00:31 in reply to "RE: Well"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

I am a bit confused by your point (if there was any to your post). Are you really attempting to use shitty parenting skills as the basis for an argument to authority for closed down software ecosystems?

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RE[3]: Well
by henderson101 on Wed 5th Dec 2012 10:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Well"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Shitty parenting skills? Fuck you. Seriously. Kiss my arse you piece of shit.

The Play Store is meant to be the beacon of all that is "good" in Android. It's not. And that's my fault? No, you are a cock sucker.

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RE[2]: Well
by WorknMan on Wed 5th Dec 2012 04:11 in reply to "RE: Well"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

This is probably for you:

http://www.androidcentral.com/hey-microsoft-you-really-wanna-see-dr...

Hopefully you at least left a negative review. WTF did your kid download anyway?

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RE[3]: Well
by henderson101 on Wed 5th Dec 2012 13:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Well"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Ah - respectfully, no.

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