Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 6th Dec 2012 05:26 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes With computers now shipping with UEFI Secure Boot enabled, users of any OS other than Windows 8 will want to know how to circumvent it. Jesse Smith of DistroWatch tells how he did it here. The Linux Foundation describes its approach here. If you want to boot an OS other than Windows 8, you'll want to figure this out before you buy that new computer.
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RE[4]: I did my homework
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 6th Dec 2012 15:45 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: I did my homework"
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

Terrible quality wise or terrible because of the high prices? I would buy one, if the prices were more reasonable. Its much cheaper right now ( well, before UEFI secure boot) to just buy better hardware with windows on it and wipe windows off.

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RE[5]: I did my homework
by lucas_maximus on Thu 6th Dec 2012 15:55 in reply to "RE[4]: I did my homework"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

/* Duplicate Post */

Edited 2012-12-06 16:01 UTC

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RE[5]: I did my homework
by lucas_maximus on Thu 6th Dec 2012 15:59 in reply to "RE[4]: I did my homework"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

There has been a lot of forum posts on problems with things not working with Linux after kernel upgrades etc.

This is the most notable posts and would put me off:

http://estrip.org/articles/read/tinypliny/54588/System76_Ubuntu_Dis...

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1979573

if you google there are quite a few complaints about misleading product photos and patchy quality on the second page

https://www.google.com.gi/search?q=system+76+problems&oq=system+76+p...

IMHO with laptops in my experience, it best to buy dell latitude or lenovo.

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RE[6]: I did my homework
by FishB8 on Thu 6th Dec 2012 17:13 in reply to "RE[5]: I did my homework"
FishB8 Member since:
2006-01-16

I think this is very misleading. The laptops from system76 are no different than the windows laptops. They are just re-branded versions of the same hardware sold with windows installed.

Just because it's sold by system76 doesn't mean you can modify the installation without knowing what you are doing and expect it to still work.

You'll find the same type of complaints about hardware not working for just about any set of components.

I've been using a System76 laptop for about 18 months now. Dual boots windows7 and Gentoo. Works just fine.

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RE[6]: I did my homework
by tylerdurden on Thu 6th Dec 2012 18:48 in reply to "RE[5]: I did my homework"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

We could play the same game, I can find a few random internet posts complaining about the build quality (or technical problems with Linux) of either Lenovo or Dell laptops. And I can use those posts to tell you that their products are terrible and that you should instead buy brand XXX.


In fact, chances are that there are orders of magnitude of those posts than System 76. Given the larger market share and customer base of either of those brands.

I'm not endorsing any brand, just pointing out the fallacious nature of the argument.

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RE[5]: I did my homework
by Alfman on Thu 6th Dec 2012 16:02 in reply to "RE[4]: I did my homework"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Bill Shooter of Bul,

Yea, the trouble is that non-windows computers are a niche commodity. It's often difficult to get a no-os computer from a brand name vendor with the benefits of scales of economy. They don't want the trouble of supporting non-windows users when 95% of the customers are windows users and the remaining 5% will buy the windows computers anyways to wipe them.

This ultimately results in less competition selling non-windows computers making that segment even more niche than it already is.

I build my own desktops, but for laptops I still don't have a good solution for my vendor/hardware/price/os requirements.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Yeah, I understand that scale has something to do with it. But with everyone outsourcing all the work to foxconn and the like, at some point I'd imagine those to diminish a bit. As a company you still need to make some money and the price you can get on laptops will depend on the number you order, but the barier to entry is much lower than the days where you'd have to do all the assembly yourself.

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RE[6]: I did my homework
by lucas_maximus on Thu 6th Dec 2012 18:28 in reply to "RE[5]: I did my homework"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

As I said, get Dell Latitudes or Lenovos (Thinkpad) with Intel chipsets and you are usually okay.

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RE[6]: I did my homework
by zima on Tue 11th Dec 2012 00:40 in reply to "RE[5]: I did my homework"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

the trouble is that non-windows computers are a niche commodity. It's often difficult to get a no-os computer from a brand name vendor with the benefits of scales of economy. They don't want the trouble of supporting non-windows users [...]
I build my own desktops, but for laptops I still don't have a good solution for my vendor/hardware/price/os requirements.

But those big PC makers do sell no-OS (or Linux) computers... But I take it you still haven't found your local equivalent of ceneo.pl product & online shop catalogue? (you know, "no OS" & "Linux" filters for http://www.ceneo.pl/Laptopy;017P8-250094-250095.htm few hundred results; looks like all big vendors present at the first page... PL->EN GTranslate works decently)

Edited 2012-12-11 00:41 UTC

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