Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 6th Dec 2012 05:26 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes With computers now shipping with UEFI Secure Boot enabled, users of any OS other than Windows 8 will want to know how to circumvent it. Jesse Smith of DistroWatch tells how he did it here. The Linux Foundation describes its approach here. If you want to boot an OS other than Windows 8, you'll want to figure this out before you buy that new computer.
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RE[4]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Sun 9th Dec 2012 14:44 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

I think the point is that there are a lot of people who, either due to budget or due to circumstance, might no longer be able to learn Linux on an old clunker of a PC that someone gave them, they pulled out of an electronics recycling bin, or they bought for $100 from a liquidator/refurbisher.


All you have to do is research into how good the vendor actually are at providing updates and fixing bugs - how much proprietary tweaks do they add or do they give up that customisation in favour of conforming to open standards? these are questions a purchaser should ask when purchasing a motherboard or a computer. I'm assuming that if you do have an interest in non-Microsoft operating systems that you also have a reasonable level of IT knowledge as well.

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RE[5]: Comment by kaiwai
by ssokolow on Sun 9th Dec 2012 18:17 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by kaiwai"
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

"I think the point is that there are a lot of people who, either due to budget or due to circumstance, might no longer be able to learn Linux on an old clunker of a PC that someone gave them, they pulled out of an electronics recycling bin, or they bought for $100 from a liquidator/refurbisher.


All you have to do is research into how good the vendor actually are at providing updates and fixing bugs - how much proprietary tweaks do they add or do they give up that customisation in favour of conforming to open standards? these are questions a purchaser should ask when purchasing a motherboard or a computer. I'm assuming that if you do have an interest in non-Microsoft operating systems that you also have a reasonable level of IT knowledge as well.
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As a hypothetical geeky teenager with little or no money (like I used to be), how do you propose I affect the buying decisions of people who, years down the road, will either throw out or give me a PC?

As a computer tech who refurbs old PCs using Linux and LXDE and gives them to needy families as a charity thing (what I actually do right now), how do you propose I affect the buying decisions of random strangers who, years from now, will give away their old PCs so they can be useful for more than obsolete scrap?

This isn't about PCs bought new. It's about used PCs for people who can't afford to buy them new.

(Actually, this sort of reminds me of how big game publishers are trying to destroy or seriously cripple the used video game market with day-1 DLC under the misguided belief that they can force large numbers of people to pay full-price... or how textbook publishers are pushing e-textbooks as a way to save money because they know DRMed eBooks can't be resold and can be revoked at the end of the course.)

Edited 2012-12-09 18:28 UTC

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RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai
by Alfman on Mon 10th Dec 2012 07:03 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by kaiwai"
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2011-01-28

ssokolow,

I worry about that too. It is how most of us linux users picked it up originally: We either started by dual booting on an existing machine, or by completely wiping an old one. Without the option of trying linux on a "microsoft" computer, most of us would have never had the opportunity to start learning linux.

I'm thankful it hasn't come to that yet (on x86). But there's no doubt we are slowly loosing rights on our own machines, which few of us would have believed a few years ago. We cannot afford to let our guard down.

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