Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 6th Dec 2012 05:26 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes With computers now shipping with UEFI Secure Boot enabled, users of any OS other than Windows 8 will want to know how to circumvent it. Jesse Smith of DistroWatch tells how he did it here. The Linux Foundation describes its approach here. If you want to boot an OS other than Windows 8, you'll want to figure this out before you buy that new computer.
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RE[6]: I did my homework
by zima on Tue 11th Dec 2012 00:40 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: I did my homework"
zima
Member since:
2005-07-06

the trouble is that non-windows computers are a niche commodity. It's often difficult to get a no-os computer from a brand name vendor with the benefits of scales of economy. They don't want the trouble of supporting non-windows users [...]
I build my own desktops, but for laptops I still don't have a good solution for my vendor/hardware/price/os requirements.

But those big PC makers do sell no-OS (or Linux) computers... But I take it you still haven't found your local equivalent of ceneo.pl product & online shop catalogue? (you know, "no OS" & "Linux" filters for http://www.ceneo.pl/Laptopy;017P8-250094-250095.htm few hundred results; looks like all big vendors present at the first page... PL->EN GTranslate works decently)

Edited 2012-12-11 00:41 UTC

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RE[7]: I did my homework
by Alfman on Tue 11th Dec 2012 04:24 in reply to "RE[6]: I did my homework"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

zima,

You keep mentioning this foreign example as though it's proof that the situation is equal everywhere, but it is not. The few niche vendors who specialise in linux can charge more than their hardware is worth because big venders with scales of economy hardly ever bother selling linux or no-OS machines.

I understand you are tired of listening to us whine about paying the ms tax, but you should still recognise that it is a legitimate complaint and isn't something we're just making up.

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RE[8]: I did my homework
by zima on Tue 11th Dec 2012 13:23 in reply to "RE[7]: I did my homework"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Not as proof... but see, the thing is - many people in PL also still whine about it, despite the options being clearly available. Are you sure they are unavailable to you? (it would be a bit weird if those large PC manufacturers were doing this only for PL ...the machines are the same, with standard US keyboard layout BTW, that's what PL uses physically; also, at the very least - they are basically available, via my marketplace, to ~neighbouring EU residents)

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