Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 10th Dec 2012 23:24 UTC
Games Confirming the industry's worst-kept secret, Valve CEO Gabe Newell has confirmed Valve is working on its 'Steam Box', a Steam-powered HTPC geared towards console-like gaming. It'll most likely run Linux. "Well certainly our hardware will be a very controlled environment," he told Kotaku. "If you want more flexibility, you can always buy a more general purpose PC. For people who want a more turnkey solution, that's what some people are really gonna want for their living room." Steam has 50 million subscribers, so there's a market here. As a comparison: Xbox Live has 40 million subscribers.
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RE: Comment by Luminair
by Morgan on Tue 11th Dec 2012 03:44 UTC in reply to "Comment by Luminair"
Morgan
Member since:
2005-06-29

Even then though, it would have to be dirt cheap to sell well, and that means poor hardware, which again begs: what's the point?


You've never heard of a loss leader? The other console makers never make a return on the hardware itself in the first year of a particular revision, and sometimes they never do at all. They make their money through accessories, licensing and, more recently, subscriptions. Eventually they get the build cost of the console down to the point where they break even or (rarely) profit a few pennies on it. But no successful console manufacturer goes into it thinking they will immediately profit on the hardware.

Bottom line, this is just a way to get Steam into the consciousness of of console-only gamers. I'm all for it!

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RE[2]: Comment by Luminair
by Luminair on Tue 11th Dec 2012 04:41 in reply to "RE: Comment by Luminair"
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2007-03-30

What I said stands. Even if it is sold at a loss (say a $300 box for $200), and even if it includes Half-Life 3 for free (and CS: GO and TF2), I still don't see why people buy this. It will run games minimally well and have a minimal game selection and will compete for your $200 with not only the new and old consoles, but also a $200 upgrade to your computer so all windows games run even better. Yep, still don't get it

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RE[3]: Comment by Luminair
by Kroc on Tue 11th Dec 2012 04:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Luminair"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

I shall counter your argument with the following statement: "Half Life 3, only available on Steam Box" ;)

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RE[3]: Comment by Luminair
by Morgan on Tue 11th Dec 2012 05:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Luminair"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

It will run games minimally well and have a minimal game selection


Do you know something the rest of us don't? I can build a pretty fast gaming box for under $300 that will play any current Steam game very well, and that's with retail priced parts. Now enter Valve, who can put together a deal to get the hardware far below retail costs. You'll either have a kick-ass console for the same price, sold as a loss leader, or else a very capable console with a slim profit line of its own.

I really don't understand why you refuse to acknowledge the possibility that Valve can do this and do it well. It's almost as if you have a personal grudge.

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RE[2]: Comment by Luminair
by Nelson on Tue 11th Dec 2012 06:15 in reply to "RE: Comment by Luminair"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Does Valve have the money to become a loss leader? Microsoft, yes. Sony, yes. Valve?

It's a huge risk to absorb an entire console generations worth of losses to maybe one day take on the giant elephants in the room that are Microsoft and Sony.

The console market isn't attractive. It's cutthroat, margins are razor thin, and it's hard to establish a presence. Ask Microsoft how much it cost them to loss lead.

Microsoft needed it to ensure that no one found a back door into Windows' territory via the living room, but what does Valve need this for?

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RE[3]: Comment by Luminair
by Morgan on Tue 11th Dec 2012 07:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Luminair"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I won't argue that this is a huge gamble for them, but someone has to step up and try it first. Succeed or fail, this is an awesome concept and Valve will be the first to really give it a go.

Meanwhile, Microsoft continues to make Windows into an Xbox "experience", and Apple continues to make OS X into iOS. Succeed or fail, those are also gambles and I'm really curious to see where each company goes.

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RE[2]: Comment by Luminair
by lucas_maximus on Tue 11th Dec 2012 08:46 in reply to "RE: Comment by Luminair"
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2009-08-18

Nintendo have never lost money on a console sold, that allowed them to survive the relatively poor sales through the N64 and GameCube years.

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RE[3]: Comment by Luminair
by Morgan on Tue 11th Dec 2012 09:13 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Luminair"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

That also explains the slower pace that their tech has advanced at, compared to the competition. They have innovated in other areas, mainly with the Wii's motion control and the DS touch screen, and their games generally have higher playability and a more unique feel, but they continue to lag behind the rest when it comes to pushing pixels.

But, graphics aren't everything. I still have more fun with my DS than I ever did with a PSP.

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