Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 6th Dec 2012 05:26 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes With computers now shipping with UEFI Secure Boot enabled, users of any OS other than Windows 8 will want to know how to circumvent it. Jesse Smith of DistroWatch tells how he did it here. The Linux Foundation describes its approach here. If you want to boot an OS other than Windows 8, you'll want to figure this out before you buy that new computer.
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RE[8]: I did my homework
by zima on Tue 11th Dec 2012 13:23 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: I did my homework"
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Not as proof... but see, the thing is - many people in PL also still whine about it, despite the options being clearly available. Are you sure they are unavailable to you? (it would be a bit weird if those large PC manufacturers were doing this only for PL ...the machines are the same, with standard US keyboard layout BTW, that's what PL uses physically; also, at the very least - they are basically available, via my marketplace, to ~neighbouring EU residents)

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RE[9]: I did my homework
by Alfman on Tue 11th Dec 2012 15:33 in reply to "RE[8]: I did my homework"
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For one thing, linux probably enjoys a greater market share in Europe than North America (1.14 vs 0.72).

So, if there were a linear relationship between market share and venders, we'd expect to see 60% more linux vendors in europe. However in reality it's probably more of a power distribution where 99% of venders service the top 90% of the market (numbers are just illustrative). So the linux market may just not have the market share needed to spark interest in any significant US vendors.

The power distribution is often the result of a cyclic pattern: the US linux market share is small because there are so few vendors because the linux market share is small, etc. The difference between the US and Europe may have been the lack of governance in the US stemming back to the days when MS was committing flagrant anti-trust behaviours in those years before the feds stepped in. Or it may be as simple as linux having had a head start in europe because of it's European roots. Or maybe microsoft has more government ties in the US, with rippling effects down to contractors and the private sector.

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RE[10]: I did my homework
by zima on Tue 11th Dec 2012 17:47 in reply to "RE[9]: I did my homework"
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What you see at my place, the availability of many non-OS and "Linux" laptops, is almost certainly not only because of Linux market share.

As I wrote, IIRC, before - large part of those machines end up with Windows, anyway (oh, and that's no-crapware-included Windows, rather decent) - at best a MSDNAA license. It's just a way to save money on the license; to offer people, who in the end want Windows, a less expensive machine.

Generally, Linux is often just a smokescreen of the reputable big PC maker, who can say ~"we don't facilitate piracy, all of our machines are sold with an operating system" or such. The devil can be in the details: in one case I've seen, it was just a Knoppix live-DVD thrown into the box; in one other, some Linux installation which didn't boot into X. Few years ago, HP even sold laptops with "DOS2000"...

Yes, HP - if you'd look at the link I provided, those are laptops from big PC makers, also US-based; Dell shows up too.

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