Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th Dec 2012 19:18 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Research In Motion today released the 'gold' build of the BlackBerry 10 developer toolkit. The 'gold' build includes all of the final tools, components, and APIs that will enable developers to create integrated, social and beautiful applications for BlackBerry 10, and have the confidence that their apps will delight customers at launch." Let's hope so. This industry needs more viable players.
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RE: Heh, why not?
by zima on Wed 12th Dec 2012 14:23 UTC in reply to "Heh, why not?"
zima
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2005-07-06

1/It sounds like going RIM will be the best choice for QWERTY phones in the near future, since Android/WinPhone manufacturers are losing interest in them and S40 is still quite primitive (e.g. no multitasking is a deal breaker for me).

You can always get some QWERTY Symbian handset ;P
(too bad Sony Ericsson A200 platform wasn't ever used on QWERTY handsets, I think - though it runs only j2me apps, it can multitask them)

5/This is a QNX-based OS which we're talking about, and having a microkernel running on your cellphone is quite the OS geek's wet dream ;)

Symbian handsets apparently also use a ~microkernel ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EKA2
(then there's http://www.osnews.com/comments/26568 recent Genode discussion and some of the links there; microkernels are more widespread, especially in mobiles, than it appears)

Edited 2012-12-12 14:25 UTC

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RE[2]: Heh, why not?
by gan17 on Wed 12th Dec 2012 16:02 in reply to "RE: Heh, why not?"
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2008-06-03

I'm most probably out of the loop with regards to what's fashionable in terms of kernels (I still run the boring monolithic kind, after all), but always assumed that hybrid kernels were the in-thing for geeks. Did "hybrid" suddenly become a dirty word?

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RE[3]: Heh, why not?
by Neolander on Wed 12th Dec 2012 16:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Heh, why not?"
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2010-03-08

I'm most probably out of the loop with regards to what's fashionable in terms of kernels (I still run the boring monolithic kind, after all), but always assumed that hybrid kernels were the in-thing for geeks. Did "hybrid" suddenly become a dirty word?

AFAIK, the "hybrid" term has been used way too often by monolithic kernel projects that denied their true nature, and has become pretty meaningless nowadays as a result.

In fact, the microkernel concept did also suffer similar abuse in the past, to the point where some projects sarcastically called themselves "nanokernels" to distance themselves from big offenders like the Mach project. But, nowadays, it seems that people start to use that word more carefully and responsibly again.

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RE[2]: Heh, why not?
by Neolander on Wed 12th Dec 2012 16:11 in reply to "RE: Heh, why not?"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

You can always get some QWERTY Symbian handset ;P
(too bad Sony Ericsson A200 platform wasn't ever used on QWERTY handsets, I think - though it runs only j2me apps, it can multitask them)

AFAIK, the most recent QWERTY Symbian handset from Nokia is the E6, which is over one year old now. The Symbian ecosystem may arguably have been buried alive but it sure is done suffocating...

"5/This is a QNX-based OS which we're talking about, and having a microkernel running on your cellphone is quite the OS geek's wet dream ;) "

Symbian handsets apparently also use a ~microkernel ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EKA

Sure they do, but the problem is that Symbian as a platform has no future. Its main backer, Nokia, is dropping it quickly, and no one feels like cleaning up its dirty codebase to make it rise from the ashes again. Most popular mobile OSs use fat kernels like Linux or Darwin as a basis these days...

(then there's http://www.osnews.com/comments/26568 recent Genode discussion and some of the links there; microkernels are more widespread, especially in mobiles, than it appears)

I don't think they take the lead role too often in user-facing applications, though.

Edited 2012-12-12 16:25 UTC

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RE[3]: Heh, why not?
by zima on Wed 12th Dec 2012 16:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Heh, why not?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Sure, Symbian might be going away, it's not very viable as one of the smartphone platforms of the future - but I take it that's not very crucial to you, if you're willing to consider BB10 or, particularly, an S40 handset. Look at it this way: a Symbian QWERTY handset would give you everything S40 would (after all, Symbian can also run j2me apps), plus multitasking. ;)

>microkernels are more widespread, especially in mobiles, than it appears)
I don't think they take the lead role too often in user-facing applications, though...

I still wonder about OSE - from the description, it seems like it might be also the basis for the in-house SE "feature phone" platform.

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