Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th Dec 2012 19:18 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Research In Motion today released the 'gold' build of the BlackBerry 10 developer toolkit. The 'gold' build includes all of the final tools, components, and APIs that will enable developers to create integrated, social and beautiful applications for BlackBerry 10, and have the confidence that their apps will delight customers at launch." Let's hope so. This industry needs more viable players.
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RE[2]: Heh, why not?
by Neolander on Wed 12th Dec 2012 16:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Heh, why not?"
Neolander
Member since:
2010-03-08

You can always get some QWERTY Symbian handset ;P
(too bad Sony Ericsson A200 platform wasn't ever used on QWERTY handsets, I think - though it runs only j2me apps, it can multitask them)

AFAIK, the most recent QWERTY Symbian handset from Nokia is the E6, which is over one year old now. The Symbian ecosystem may arguably have been buried alive but it sure is done suffocating...

"5/This is a QNX-based OS which we're talking about, and having a microkernel running on your cellphone is quite the OS geek's wet dream ;) "

Symbian handsets apparently also use a ~microkernel ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EKA

Sure they do, but the problem is that Symbian as a platform has no future. Its main backer, Nokia, is dropping it quickly, and no one feels like cleaning up its dirty codebase to make it rise from the ashes again. Most popular mobile OSs use fat kernels like Linux or Darwin as a basis these days...

(then there's http://www.osnews.com/comments/26568 recent Genode discussion and some of the links there; microkernels are more widespread, especially in mobiles, than it appears)

I don't think they take the lead role too often in user-facing applications, though.

Edited 2012-12-12 16:25 UTC

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RE[3]: Heh, why not?
by zima on Wed 12th Dec 2012 16:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Heh, why not?"
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2005-07-06

Sure, Symbian might be going away, it's not very viable as one of the smartphone platforms of the future - but I take it that's not very crucial to you, if you're willing to consider BB10 or, particularly, an S40 handset. Look at it this way: a Symbian QWERTY handset would give you everything S40 would (after all, Symbian can also run j2me apps), plus multitasking. ;)

>microkernels are more widespread, especially in mobiles, than it appears)
I don't think they take the lead role too often in user-facing applications, though...

I still wonder about OSE - from the description, it seems like it might be also the basis for the in-house SE "feature phone" platform.

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RE[4]: Heh, why not?
by Neolander on Wed 12th Dec 2012 20:44 in reply to "RE[3]: Heh, why not?"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Sure, Symbian might be going away, it's not very viable as one of the smartphone platforms of the future - but I take it that's not very crucial to you, if you're willing to consider BB10 or, particularly, an S40 handset. Look at it this way: a Symbian QWERTY handset would give you everything S40 would (after all, Symbian can also run j2me apps), plus multitasking. ;)

It's funny... Historically, I played the role of the Symbian zealot who kept saying that the OS was not as bad as many iOS and Android users thought, and that given the right directions, it could have raised from its imperfect state, with much higher odds of long-term success than WP7. Meanwhile, you were the one telling me that all Elop did was not wrong, that Symbian had probably sunk too far to be saved, and that S40 and the Asha line had dramatically improved under the direction of the new Nokia.

Now, as far as Symbian is concerned, I have switched from denial to resignation. No matter how good it was, it's most definitely dead, and nothing that I can say will ever bring it back. I also did my homework and checked out the Asha line to see if it was as good as you were implying, at least for my use cases. And right now, with this post, YOU are the one telling me that Symbian is great even in his death bead and that I should really check it out. Truly, how things have changed ! ;)

Anyway, I think that BB10 and S40 are in a different position than Symbian.

Symbian has been officially EOLd, just like WebOS, Meego and Windows Mobile 6 before it. If the history of these three OSs is to repeat itself, it will perhaps see some community interest like Meego and WebOS have. But considering the current level of said interest, it is most likely going to fall into irrelevance oblivion alongside Windows Mobile instead.

S40 and BB10 are, to the contrary, still useful to their respective developers. Since Windows Phone is a commercial failure and since it is not in Microsoft's DNA to produce light OSs for lower-end phones, S40 device sales are likely that little thing which (barely) keeps Nokia on life support right now. In such a case, if Nokia don't want to switch back to making rubber boots, they'll have to somehow support that OS, cherish it, and keep it competitive in the long run whether they like it or not. So it is likely going to improve over time, perhaps even silently getting patches from the Symbian codebase so as to increase its architectural flexibility.

Similarly, BB10 is basically what RIM is betting everything on to stay relevant in the modern cellphone landscape. Only this time, they openly admit it. And for what I know of QNX and its implementation on the PlayBook, it seems to me that they might have taken a pretty solid codebase to build their new OS upon. Now, only time will tell if this new OS will see the same fate as Windows Phone, but RIM do not have a track record similar to Microsoft's impressive history of failures in the mobile space, and user returns are fairly positive so far, so... who knows ?

Anyway, if this thing fails, it seems like all I'll be left with as a QWERTY fan will be S40's prehistoric feature set and legacy devices like Nokia's Symbian phones or those Pre 3 and N900 that are still on sale on eBay, so I better whish RIM the best of luck there ;)

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