Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th Dec 2012 23:09 UTC
Windows So, last night, Windows Phone 8 got its first update - specifically for the HTC 8X. In this day and age, where iOS is the gold standard and shows the industry how it ought to be done, and Android is the exact opposite, Windows Phone 7 was a bit of an in-between - every phone got every update, but the staggered rollout was slow and frustrating, often due to carrier meddling. How will Windows Phone 8 fare?
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RE[5]: Nexus Line
by Nelson on Wed 12th Dec 2012 16:33 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Nexus Line"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

Because there is a refusal to acknowledge that the situations are not the same.

By and large, every Windows Phone 7 owner has been updated to the latest Windows Phone 7 release.

A majority of Windows Phone users run the latest version of their platform. That is a fact. A majority of WP7 users are on 8773. The same is NOT true for Android.

Obviously, there is something much more out of control going on here, and I find it tragic that you, post after post, refuse to notice, or even acknowledge a difference.

Sure, of course, there is carrier and OEM pigheadedness in the way, but the fault lies squarely with Google in that they have not effectively dealt with the situation.

I refuse to equate the two experiences, because while most Windows Phone users are on 8773, by comparison, almost no one is on Jellybean. A fact.

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RE[6]: Nexus Line
by Morgan on Wed 12th Dec 2012 16:38 in reply to "RE[5]: Nexus Line"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I'll give your position some merit when I see 7.8 on my HTC Arrive. Sorry, but it's Windows Phone users who are 100% left in the cold here, by Microsoft.

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RE[7]: Nexus Line
by modmans2ndcoming on Thu 13th Dec 2012 00:36 in reply to "RE[6]: Nexus Line"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

7.8 is not released....Jelly Bean 4.1 and 4.2 have been released and have near zero penetration.

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RE[6]: Nexus Line
by tylerdurden on Wed 12th Dec 2012 21:17 in reply to "RE[5]: Nexus Line"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

You're conveniently limiting Windows Phone to the same release; 8. Yes, technically most Windows Phone users may be on that release, but that is because almost no one bought or is using the previous version. Not because Microsoft has a brilliant method to keep all his users up to date transparently.



The "upgrade" path for the Windows platform is rather torturous; Windows Mobile 6.5, to Windows Phone 7, and then to Windows Phone 8. 3 different incompatible revisions in less than 3 years. While going from a 15% market share, down to 3% in the same period of time. Given that correlation, it seems that Microsoft's update track record is a significant weakness, not strength.

Edited 2012-12-12 21:27 UTC

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RE[7]: Nexus Line
by Nelson on Wed 12th Dec 2012 22:25 in reply to "RE[6]: Nexus Line"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

You're conveniently limiting Windows Phone to the same release; 8. Yes, technically most Windows Phone users may be on that release, but that is because almost no one bought or is using the previous version. Not because Microsoft has a brilliant method to keep all his users up to date transparently.


Windows Phone total install base was in the millions, I believe over ten million last I checked. However, I don't see how their update mechanisms have been proven not to scale, to the extent that you use it as an excuse to shrug off the fact that most Windows Phone users are on the latest version of the platform.


The "upgrade" path for the Windows platform is rather torturous; Windows Mobile 6.5, to Windows Phone 7, and then to Windows Phone 8. 3 different incompatible revisions in less than 3 years.


Windows Mobile is not Windows Phone. That's akin to saying that Samsung didn't provide an update path from their Omnia Windows Mobile lineup to their Galaxy S III. They are clearly different platforms.

Expecting Windows Mobile devices, complete with resistive screens and ancient ARM processors to run Windows Phone is ludicrous. Almost no Windows Mobile device, save for maybe the HD2, met the Windows Phone minimum specifications.

Windows Phone 7 users haven't been given a raw deal. They received NoDo, Mango, Tango 1, Tango 2, and 7.8

That's four updates in two years. One of them a major revision. This is not to mention the various value-add companies like Nokia have brought, and continue to bring to the platform.

In fact, that's likely comparable to any Nexus device out there right now.


While going from a 15% market share, down to 3% in the same period of time. Given that correlation, it seems that Microsoft's update track record is a significant weakness, not strength.


That is again, if you lump in Windows Mobile marketshare with Windows Phone marketshare. Windows Phone has gone from 0% to roughly 3% since 2010, and if reports are anything to go by, is selling quite well this quarter.

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RE[7]: Nexus Line
by modmans2ndcoming on Thu 13th Dec 2012 00:38 in reply to "RE[6]: Nexus Line"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

Umm... 7 and 8 are developed in tandem right now.

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