Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th Dec 2012 23:09 UTC
Windows So, last night, Windows Phone 8 got its first update - specifically for the HTC 8X. In this day and age, where iOS is the gold standard and shows the industry how it ought to be done, and Android is the exact opposite, Windows Phone 7 was a bit of an in-between - every phone got every update, but the staggered rollout was slow and frustrating, often due to carrier meddling. How will Windows Phone 8 fare?
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RE[6]: Nexus Line
by tylerdurden on Wed 12th Dec 2012 21:17 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Nexus Line"
tylerdurden
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2009-03-17

You're conveniently limiting Windows Phone to the same release; 8. Yes, technically most Windows Phone users may be on that release, but that is because almost no one bought or is using the previous version. Not because Microsoft has a brilliant method to keep all his users up to date transparently.



The "upgrade" path for the Windows platform is rather torturous; Windows Mobile 6.5, to Windows Phone 7, and then to Windows Phone 8. 3 different incompatible revisions in less than 3 years. While going from a 15% market share, down to 3% in the same period of time. Given that correlation, it seems that Microsoft's update track record is a significant weakness, not strength.

Edited 2012-12-12 21:27 UTC

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RE[7]: Nexus Line
by Nelson on Wed 12th Dec 2012 22:25 in reply to "RE[6]: Nexus Line"
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2005-11-29

You're conveniently limiting Windows Phone to the same release; 8. Yes, technically most Windows Phone users may be on that release, but that is because almost no one bought or is using the previous version. Not because Microsoft has a brilliant method to keep all his users up to date transparently.


Windows Phone total install base was in the millions, I believe over ten million last I checked. However, I don't see how their update mechanisms have been proven not to scale, to the extent that you use it as an excuse to shrug off the fact that most Windows Phone users are on the latest version of the platform.


The "upgrade" path for the Windows platform is rather torturous; Windows Mobile 6.5, to Windows Phone 7, and then to Windows Phone 8. 3 different incompatible revisions in less than 3 years.


Windows Mobile is not Windows Phone. That's akin to saying that Samsung didn't provide an update path from their Omnia Windows Mobile lineup to their Galaxy S III. They are clearly different platforms.

Expecting Windows Mobile devices, complete with resistive screens and ancient ARM processors to run Windows Phone is ludicrous. Almost no Windows Mobile device, save for maybe the HD2, met the Windows Phone minimum specifications.

Windows Phone 7 users haven't been given a raw deal. They received NoDo, Mango, Tango 1, Tango 2, and 7.8

That's four updates in two years. One of them a major revision. This is not to mention the various value-add companies like Nokia have brought, and continue to bring to the platform.

In fact, that's likely comparable to any Nexus device out there right now.


While going from a 15% market share, down to 3% in the same period of time. Given that correlation, it seems that Microsoft's update track record is a significant weakness, not strength.


That is again, if you lump in Windows Mobile marketshare with Windows Phone marketshare. Windows Phone has gone from 0% to roughly 3% since 2010, and if reports are anything to go by, is selling quite well this quarter.

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RE[8]: Nexus Line
by tylerdurden on Wed 12th Dec 2012 22:45 in reply to "RE[7]: Nexus Line"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17


Windows Phone total install base was in the millions, I believe over ten million last I checked. However, I don't see how their update mechanisms have been proven not to scale, to the extent that you use it as an excuse to shrug off the fact that most Windows Phone users are on the latest version of the platform.


I don't know, 3 different completely incompatible iterations in less than 3 years with a user base that shrunk by a factor of 5 during the process, seem like a clear failure to scale, to me at least. I am aware Microsoft's marketing department may not share that opinion, however.

For what it is worth,I was actually conceding the possibility that what you claimed was true: that the majority of Windows Phone users are at the latest major version (8). I was simply pointing out that the majority of those users are new to that platform, so them being on the latest revision of the software is their default state, thus they have little to do with Microsoft's supposed competence for upgrading the end user's platform transparently.



Windows Mobile is not Windows Phone. That's akin to saying that Samsung didn't provide an update path from their Omnia Windows Mobile lineup to their Galaxy S III. They are clearly different platforms.


You'd have a point if that was not a completely false equivalence. You're trying to compare going from two different OS vendors (Microsoft vs Google) as it being the same as upgrading among the same vendor phone OS.

The point being that when it comes to upgrade paths for a phone OS, Microsoft lives in a glass house. So you should be more careful when hurling them rocks around...

Edited 2012-12-12 22:48 UTC

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RE[8]: Nexus Line
by modmans2ndcoming on Thu 13th Dec 2012 00:40 in reply to "RE[7]: Nexus Line"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

In comparison, my SGS4G went from Android 2.2 to Android 2.3 and no further bug fixes in the 2 years it has been out.

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RE[7]: Nexus Line
by modmans2ndcoming on Thu 13th Dec 2012 00:38 in reply to "RE[6]: Nexus Line"
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2005-11-09

Umm... 7 and 8 are developed in tandem right now.

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