Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Dec 2012 11:51 UTC
Google "Google has revealed that it has no plans to develop dedicated apps for Windows 8 or Windows Phone 8 for its business app products such as Gmail or Drive." Product management director for Google Apps, Clay Bavor, told V3 that Google "will go where the users are but they are not on Windows Phone or Windows 8". Ouch - but for now, hard to argue with.
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RE[6]: Hard to argue with?
by Nelson on Sat 15th Dec 2012 20:59 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Hard to argue with?"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

These figures are misleading, as they don't count the installed base of Windows, only the previous quarter sales.

This would be fine if it was just a mobile OS to mobile OS comparison, because the upgrade cycles are similar, but a PC at home is upgraded much less frequently than a mobile device.

I hate to be cliché, but: Apples to oranges.

This is why browser usage stats online hold much more validity to their claims (which you conveniently, and in an ad hominem manner dismiss):

They measure actual usage, not just new purchases. The fact that quite possibly a lot of the Android devices being purchased are used as junky feature phones is telling.

Android's mysterious sales have never directly translated to mobile web usage, ever.

Still, it is quite good that Microsoft is at 20% marketshare for new devices.

You are as wrong today, as the people who claimed the Lumia took China by storm were back a few months ago. They're making the same fundamental mistake as you.

However, this is a trend with your comments. You find a source, any source, where the numbers are contorted enough to meet your agenda and you spam it all over the comments.

To the non eagle eyed reader it will seem as if you've made some kind of brilliant point, when in reality you've fallen victim to the same ignorance as the layman. Congrats cdude, but you're not as impressive as you think.

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RE[7]: Hard to argue with?
by cdude on Sun 16th Dec 2012 12:16 in reply to "RE[6]: Hard to argue with?"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Install base is included as those NEED to either upgrade cause XP is EOL soon OR need to switch to Windows alternates. So they are direct Windows-license and Hardware sells IF they upgrade.

The difference is that install-base is not counted as being catches into Windows forever. They have choice and you can easily interpolate from past switches (and loses) how much of them would upgrade to Windows 8 Metro.

Those numbers also make one thing even more clear: The PC market is shrinking very very fast and with it the Wintel market share. In contrast consumer devices like Smart phones and Tablets are accelerating more and more. Those numbers are as of today but taking the market dynamics into account tomorrow Microsoft may down to 10% market share or even lesser.

The important fact is: Microsoft Windows is not the de facto OS on computers any longer. It is not even number 1 any longer. Android took over. Very fast and contin to grow inan incredible speed.

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RE[8]: Hard to argue with?
by Nelson on Sun 16th Dec 2012 17:09 in reply to "RE[7]: Hard to argue with?"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Install base is included as those NEED to either upgrade cause XP is EOL soon OR need to switch to Windows alternates. So they are direct Windows-license and Hardware sells IF they upgrade.


The installed based is NOT included in those numbers. Do not lie.


The difference is that install-base is not counted as being catches into Windows forever. They have choice and you can easily interpolate from past switches (and loses) how much of them would upgrade to Windows 8 Metro.


Of course, you would be able to, but that's precisely what you're not doing. You're using the source as a big headliner: Windows drops from 97% to 20% in marketshare. Sure, I'll buy that Windows is at 20% of NEW sales of ALL mobile computing devices period, but that's nothing new.

Windows has not been a player in the mobile space, specifically the tablet space for the latter part of the decade. So them suddenly having a precipitous drop is a consequence of a wider playing field without an adequate response from Microsoft, not a consumer lukewarm reaction to Windows.

Windows 8 looks to change that by A) Making an aggressive push into tablets at a time when OEMs feel scorned by Android, and B) Unify the ecosystem among Tablets, Laptops, and Desktops.

In essence, they are bootstrapping their Tablet ecosystem on the back of Desktop Windows. It is a brilliant backdoor into marketshare.


Those numbers also make one thing even more clear: The PC market is shrinking very very fast and with it the Wintel market share. In contrast consumer devices like Smart phones and Tablets are accelerating more and more. Those numbers are as of today but taking the market dynamics into account tomorrow Microsoft may down to 10% market share or even lesser.




The important fact is: Microsoft Windows is not the de facto OS on computers any longer. It is not even number 1 any longer. Android took over. Very fast and contin to grow inan incredible speed.


The Windows installed base, including new sales dwarfs that of Android, and will continue to do so for years, and the PC upgrade cycle will kick in and have a positive effect on sales of Windows by virtue of it being Windows.

This in turn will be a shot in the arm for the ecosystem, which will drive mobile device sales forward. There is already preliminary data suggesting Windows 8 has had both incredible sales, and a halo effect on Windows Phone.

Windows Phone Store submissions are up 40%, sales are up 4x YoY, and the Windows Phone store is pushing 120k apps (with the Windows Store well on its way to 100k, probably by January).

Something incredible is happening, and you'd be foolish to discount the extremely positive effect that a healthy ecosystem where app developers make great money will have on the market.

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RE[7]: Hard to argue with?
by zima on Fri 21st Dec 2012 17:08 in reply to "RE[6]: Hard to argue with?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

However, this is a trend with your comments. You find a source, any source, where the numbers are contorted enough to meet your agenda and you spam it all over the comments.
To the non eagle eyed reader it will seem as if you've made some kind of brilliant point, when in reality you've fallen victim to the same ignorance as the layman. Congrats cdude, but you're not as impressive as you think.

Yeah, a trend... (reminds me about one exchange with cdude http://www.osnews.com/thread?525365 where he seems to think it's OK to latch onto parts of sentences; and generally in that story)
But then, it sometimes even seems he barely has a grasp of EN...

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