Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 15th Dec 2012 19:11 UTC
In the News "Peers and scientists including Professor Stephen Hawking are once again pushing for an official pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing. Turing's death from cyanide poisoning in 1954 was ruled a suicide, coming after his conviction for gross indecency at a time when homosexuality was illegal." The fact that he still hasn't been pardoned is an utter disgrace.
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RE[2]: No
by kwan_e on Sun 16th Dec 2012 02:38 UTC in reply to "RE: No"
kwan_e
Member since:
2007-02-18

Stephen Hawking and his ilk just want Alan Turing pardoned because he is famous, not for any other reason.


But what is Alan Turing famous for? He wasn't famous for being a Z-list celebrity who appeared on Celebrity Big Brother.

His work probably saved millions of lives.

People should stop using the word "famous" or "celebrity" as though Turing didn't deserve it.

We can all choose words which makes it looks like our arguments has more depth than it really has, so no, calling Turing "famous" or "celebrity" is not a legitimate argument.

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RE[3]: No
by earksiinni on Sun 16th Dec 2012 06:50 in reply to "RE[2]: No"
earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

People should stop using the word "famous" or "celebrity" as though Turing didn't deserve it.


Yet she wasn't using "famous" or "celebrity" as though Turing didn't deserve it. You just misread her comment/didn't understand her point.

We can all choose words which makes it looks like our arguments has more depth than it really has, so no, calling Turing "famous" or "celebrity" is not a legitimate argument.


Her argument isn't deep at all, quite the contrary, it's a very simple point that she's trying to make: no one should be given special privileges by the law. The fact that Turing deserves his fame and so much good came from his work only underscores the argument.

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RE[4]: No
by kwan_e on Sun 16th Dec 2012 07:28 in reply to "RE[3]: No"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

"People should stop using the word "famous" or "celebrity" as though Turing didn't deserve it.


Yet she wasn't using "famous" or "celebrity" as though Turing didn't deserve it. You just misread her comment/didn't understand her point.

We can all choose words which makes it looks like our arguments has more depth than it really has, so no, calling Turing "famous" or "celebrity" is not a legitimate argument.


Her argument isn't deep at all, quite the contrary, it's a very simple point that she's trying to make: no one should be given special privileges by the law. The fact that Turing deserves his fame and so much good came from his work only underscores the argument.
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I didn't miss the point. You and her and the others miss the wider point. The wider point being is that this symbolic gesture somehow steals the attention from other people who suffered.

There is nothing about that attitude that makes sense.

Here's the wider point: all-or-nothing rhetoric tends towards the latter.

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