Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 15th Dec 2012 19:11 UTC
In the News "Peers and scientists including Professor Stephen Hawking are once again pushing for an official pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing. Turing's death from cyanide poisoning in 1954 was ruled a suicide, coming after his conviction for gross indecency at a time when homosexuality was illegal." The fact that he still hasn't been pardoned is an utter disgrace.
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RE[2]: Symbolic gesture
by kwan_e on Sun 16th Dec 2012 02:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Symbolic gesture"
kwan_e
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2007-02-18

"To all those who say this is stupid for various reasons, all of which are nonsensical:

If we can't even get a "celebrity" like Turing pardoned, then what hope is here to get official recognition that those other unfortunates were wronged?


Most likely nil, but that doesn't change the fact that this is just playing the "he's famous, let's give him special treatment" - card. Yes, he was a hero, but no more or less than the policemen, firefighters, soldiers, even loving fathers that were prosecuted under the law, and they do not deserve half-measures. Either seek for pardon for them all and fail at that, or don't seek pardon for any of them.

I will never accept riches or fame as a substitute for equality.
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You see it as "half measure". I see it as "the beginning".

Why are people treating this as though it's a limited resource? Pardons aren't some rare mineral that you have to destroy the environment to dig up. I don't recall seeing pardon blocks in Minecraft.

Outside of the tech sphere, most people still don't know what Alan Turing did for the war. If this were even more public, with a figurehead who deserved his celebrity, then maybe we can get large swathes of the public to call for pardons for the rest of those who suffered.

It disappoints me to think that people here don't have a strategic bone in their body. This "all or nothing" rhetoric is fine, but "all or nothing" strategies tend to do nothing for anyone.

* And yes, I think we can safely say that Alan Turing did more for the war than most other people, and that makes him a very suitable figurehead.

Edited 2012-12-16 02:48 UTC

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RE[3]: Symbolic gesture
by Soulbender on Sun 16th Dec 2012 03:02 in reply to "RE[2]: Symbolic gesture"
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2005-08-18

You see it as "half measure". I see it as "the beginning".


But then why is the petition not "Pardon Turing and everyone else" (like, I dunno, Oscar Wilde?)? Like it or not, this gives the impression that Turing is the only one who deserves a pardon.

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RE[4]: Symbolic gesture
by kwan_e on Sun 16th Dec 2012 03:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Symbolic gesture"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

"You see it as "half measure". I see it as "the beginning".


But then why is the petition not "Pardon Turing and everyone else" (like, I dunno, Oscar Wilde?)? Like it or not, this gives the impression that Turing is the only one who deserves a pardon.
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Because it's "the beginning".

Read my previous comment about "all or nothing" rhetoric. It may give you a certain impression, but it doesn't give me that impression at all.

Turing saved more lives than Wilde, so as a public relations thing, the anti-gay movement cannot really oppose pardoning a war hero.

Once Turing gets in the door, then the increased spotlight on the irrational hatred of gays will make it easier to get those other pardoned.

All or nothing approaches tend towards the latter. Let's be more pragmatic about this.

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