Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 15th Dec 2012 19:11 UTC
In the News "Peers and scientists including Professor Stephen Hawking are once again pushing for an official pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing. Turing's death from cyanide poisoning in 1954 was ruled a suicide, coming after his conviction for gross indecency at a time when homosexuality was illegal." The fact that he still hasn't been pardoned is an utter disgrace.
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RE[3]: fat lot of good
by Laurence on Sun 16th Dec 2012 14:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: fat lot of good"
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

Tell you what, when America compensates each and every persecuted coloured, homosexual and non-Christian citizen, then I'll consider taking your opinions seriously.

Until then, I think you have little place to tell me how my country should be run.



Turing was just being himself, and that should never be against any law.

I agree. But the issue is now bigger than whether the law was just. Which is my whole point and an issue you just ignored.

This is like the "think of the children" arguments where dangerously generalised laws are set.

Edited 2012-12-16 15:04 UTC

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RE[4]: fat lot of good
by BluenoseJake on Sun 16th Dec 2012 15:14 in reply to "RE[3]: fat lot of good"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

I'm not American, but your point is still asinine. Oh, if the Americans don't show remorse for their civil rights abuses then no one has too?

I'm Canadian, and we have our own shameful laws to deal with, and I totally support compensation for those affected by them. Japanese Canadians deserve compensation for internments in the 1940s. Natives deserve recognition and compensation for persecution in the 1950s, and so on, for ever, it seems.

Your Queen is my Queen, and I am ashamed of both our governments for their actions taken in the past.

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RE[5]: fat lot of good
by Laurence on Sun 16th Dec 2012 16:41 in reply to "RE[4]: fat lot of good"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I'm not American, but your point is still asinine. Oh, if the Americans don't show remorse for their civil rights abuses then no one has too?

You're twisting my argument. I'm fully in support of showing remorse. In fact I've said that about a dozen times now; so I don't appreciate your childish rebuttals. I'm was illustrating the hypocrisy of your judgements.


I'm Canadian, and we have our own shameful laws to deal with, and I totally support compensation for those affected by them. Japanese Canadians deserve compensation for internments in the 1940s. Natives deserve recognition and compensation for persecution in the 1950s, and so on, for ever, it seems.

Your Queen is my Queen, and I am ashamed of both our governments for their actions taken in the past.

I guess we at least agree on something ;)

The British government (and monarchy) has committed a lot of wrong doings - none of them excusable. So I'm genuinely not trying shrug them off. I just think there are better ways to honour the victims than this.

edit: and I'm not alone. Even some gay activists share this view: http://blog.jgc.org/2011/11/why-im-not-supporting-campaign-for.html

Edited 2012-12-16 16:46 UTC

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