Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 15th Dec 2012 19:11 UTC
In the News "Peers and scientists including Professor Stephen Hawking are once again pushing for an official pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing. Turing's death from cyanide poisoning in 1954 was ruled a suicide, coming after his conviction for gross indecency at a time when homosexuality was illegal." The fact that he still hasn't been pardoned is an utter disgrace.
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RE[4]: fat lot of good
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 16th Dec 2012 15:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: fat lot of good"
Thom_Holwerda
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qAlso, I'm loving how you don't seem to give a rats arse about any of the other British homosexuals who were persecuted over that dumb law. To single Turing out like Anne Frank and say we should honour them specifically is just impassionate against the thousands of others who fell foul to unjust laws like this.

But who cares about the 'little' people just so long as your personal heroes are celebrated?


Movements have always had figureheads. A part representing the whole. Like William the Silent, the personification of the Dutch struggle against Spanish oppression, the Founding Fathers, Anne Frank, Rosa Parks, Ghandi, Aung San Suu Kyi, Martin Luther King, and loads of others, on both grand and smaller scales.

Caring about MLK was caring about the fate of African-Americans. Giving Aung San Suu Kyi the Nobel Peace Prize was acknowledging all the people in Myanmar, and honouring Anne Frank is, yes, honouring all those innocent people who shared a similar gruesome fate during the holocaust.

It even goes beyond people - Sniper Alley (Snajperska aleja) has, for me, become a "figure head" for the siege of Sarajevo, and the name alone makes me think of the countless innocent lives that were lost during that horrible war.

In the same way, honouring Turing would mean honouring all gay people both in and outside of the UK who shared similar fates - and, who are, in large parts of the world, still sharing the same fate. Heck, even in Europe, most countries' laws still consider gay people inferior - yes, in the UK too.

None of the above means you don't care about the other people behind the figure heads. I've never heard such a ridiculous thing in my entire life. In fact, it's grossly insulting.

Edited 2012-12-16 15:14 UTC

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RE[5]: fat lot of good
by Laurence on Sun 16th Dec 2012 16:31 in reply to "RE[4]: fat lot of good"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


In the same way, honouring Turing would mean honouring all gay people both in and outside of the UK who shared similar fates - and, who are, in large parts of the world, still sharing the same fate. Heck, even in Europe, most countries' laws still consider gay people inferior - yes, in the UK too.

Turing has already been given a formal apology from the government and a law is being passed to remove these incidents from gay peoples criminal records (essentially doing what the pardon does, but using established legal presidence and against every individual what was persecuted by said law).

Honouring Turing like this doesn't help gay people country wide.

Here's a little more information from those points from someone who actively leads gay equality pertitions:
http://blog.jgc.org/2011/11/why-im-not-supporting-campaign-for.html

None of the above means you don't care about the other people behind the figure heads. I've never heard such a ridiculous thing in my entire life. In fact, it's grossly insulting.

It's no more insulting than the judgement you made against me in your previous post. So I guess we are both misunderstanding each other

Edited 2012-12-16 16:42 UTC

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