Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 15th Dec 2012 19:11 UTC
In the News "Peers and scientists including Professor Stephen Hawking are once again pushing for an official pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing. Turing's death from cyanide poisoning in 1954 was ruled a suicide, coming after his conviction for gross indecency at a time when homosexuality was illegal." The fact that he still hasn't been pardoned is an utter disgrace.
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RE[3]: And justice for some...
by JAlexoid on Mon 17th Dec 2012 11:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: And justice for some..."
JAlexoid
Member since:
2009-05-19

I would give a thought about condemning either man to death.

Yeah... right.


If this is an easy choice for you I'm afraid I have bad news: you're an asshole.


It's not easy, but it is simple. It's not a choice between two equals.

But yes, having a very dehumanised sense of logic does make me an "asshole". Doesn't mean it's a bad thing(in the grand scheme of things). You know... people that build great companies and give millions of people jobs are total cold hearted assholes, because they can count.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

It's not easy, but it is simple. It's not a choice between two equals.


I remember being told "all men are equals" but I guess that was bullshit, eh?. it's interesting to note that at some point in time some would have made the same argument ("they're not equals") when choosing between a white man and a black man or, hey, a straight man and a gay man. I bet Turing himself would have been less than happy with your argument.

Also, you don't know what that other guy could accomplish later in life if you let him in the boat.

You know... people that build great companies and give millions of people jobs are total cold hearted assholes, because they can count.


That's because they're quite often sociopaths.

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RE[5]: And justice for some...
by kwan_e on Mon 17th Dec 2012 11:51 in reply to "RE[4]: And justice for some..."
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

Selecting Turing as a person to rally behind is not in anyway saying others aren't deserving.

Get it through your fucking skull.

We are not talking about a limited resource here.

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

I remember being told "all men are equals" but I guess that was bullshit, eh?

It actually is total BS. Not all men are equal. Even égalité in French "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" doesn't mean that all men are equal. It means that all men should be treated as equally as possible...

it's interesting to note that at some point in time some would have made the same argument ("they're not equals") when choosing between a white man and a black man or, hey, a straight man and a gay man.

Yes. That is a problem where colour of the skin, nationality or sexuality override achievements and contributions to society.

I bet Turing himself would have been less than happy with your argument.

Only if he was a humble man.

you don't know what that other guy could accomplish later in life if you let him in the boat.

What about the "track record"? Try applying for a job with that attitude. Bring an empty CV stating "you don't know what I can accomplish later in life". Or maybe by the same logic you should take a cut in your salary/wage be be treated the same way as a person without a track record. You know... being paid a higher salary/wage is also a way of treating you unequally(Even though I implore you to not do that, because I believe strongly that discriminating based on lack of achievement is perfectly reasonable).

So in short, I doubt that you live up or even want to live up to your own ideals. Though I'm perfectly fine when being treated with less attention compared to people that are smarter/faster/stronger than me. Even if it means I'll be left on that sinking boat...

That's because they're quite often sociopaths.

That research only targeted CEOs, not founders and creators.

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