Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Dec 2012 11:24 UTC
Windows "Does Windows Phone need Google and its services to be successful? No. The fate of Windows Phone and its adoption in the marketplace does not rest in the hands of Google. Microsoft itself holds the key to Windows Phone becoming a successful platform, rapid evolution of its cloud services and integration with the rest of the MS eco system." Good editorial on Google killing AES support for consumers and how it affects Windows Phone, by WPCentral's Robert Brand.
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Google do not have problem with WP :P
by przemo_li on Mon 17th Dec 2012 11:48 UTC
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Member since:
2010-06-01

Its WP that have problem.

Its too small to be called "3rd ecosystem". Do not know why so much hype over Google assessing WP properly. One would expect that after 2y of lies disproved by hard data (eg "3rd ecosystem") some will at least admit that WP is not major player in mobile.............

Edited 2012-12-17 11:49 UTC

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

If WP isn't, then who is?

Symbian is dead and Blackberry is dying, even though they won't admit it.

There are a number of small players, but WP has Microsoft and Nokia going for it. Microsoft has a long breath and Nokia bet the company on it so they have to stick with it.

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Tractor Member since:
2006-08-18

Nokia has been "sacrificed" by Microsoft as cannon-fodder to help them sustain the lengthy period to WP8. Now, Nokia is almost dead, and no longer a relevant player (they have fallen to 10th position in SmartPhone makers !). WP8 is too little too late. A bad news for Microsoft, a killing one for Nokia.

But then, it's Nokia shareholders who pay the price for this Microsoft's strategy.

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tomz Member since:
2010-05-06

Nokia is dying. Go read any of the posts on Communities Dominate Brands.

There are only a few wp8s, and they aren't compelling. IPhone already has the sweet spot, and android has the diversity - qwerty slideouts, phablets, pen/stylus versions, etc.

Microsoft has an archipelago, not an ecosystem. Xbox is different hardware from wp8 from w8. There is no Zune (ipod touch - android player). The netbook-tablet-whatever surface is overpriced and there is only the one ARM, but it is w8, not wp8 and will br superseded by an intel processor model.

Reading the article, it sounded like 'who needs anything else, mother microsoft has everything'. Only true if you only use their stuff already - outlook, skydrive, o360, zunemusic, xbox live and don't want apps. If you instead collaborate with google docs, prefer their mapping and have all your favorites there, or use chrome's sync...? Or have a mac at home?

I don't think google would object to microsoft using their own resources to provide access to google. But I can see why Google doesn't want to use their own. I also suspect they mean there won't be the tile versions of apps, but they probably will support the desktop.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Its WP that have problem.

Its too small to be called "3rd ecosystem". Do not know why so much hype over Google assessing WP properly.


Oh please, Google doesn't have noble or sensible intentions. EAS has nothing to do with Windows Phone, as it has a reach far beyond Windows Phone. EAS is massively successful for Microsoft, and Google likely both wishes to reduce their licensing costs and wants to pivot away from being convenient to Microsoft.

Gmail is the #1 email service, and as such, it is their vehicle to wean people off of EAS, even if the offered solution is technically inferior. EAS didn't become popular by accident, it was and arguably still is better.


One would expect that after 2y of lies disproved by hard data (eg "3rd ecosystem") some will at least admit that WP is not major player in mobile.............


I'm having a hard time buying what you're saying when Windows Phone is the only mobile OS besides Apple and iOS showing any positive growth in the market.

It is a fact that Windows Phone sales are up, app submissions are up, and app revenue is up. The ecosystem blew by Blackberry to become the third largest mobile ecosystem out there.

Windows 8 will soon eclipse everyone else in that regard, which should only have a halo effect on Widows Phone as the alignment continues in a series of releases.

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Oh, really?!?
by sgtrock on Mon 17th Dec 2012 18:17 in reply to "RE: Google do not have problem with WP :P"
sgtrock Member since:
2011-05-13

It is a fact that Windows Phone sales are up, app submissions are up, and app revenue is up. The ecosystem blew by Blackberry to become the third largest mobile ecosystem out there.

Windows 8 will soon eclipse everyone else in that regard, which should only have a halo effect on Widows Phone as the alignment continues in a series of releases.


Care to document your sources for this? At least one analyst vehemently disagrees with you (language and bolding in the original):

The carriers hate Microsoft Windows Phone, not because it has Skype pre-installed and fully integrated with Microsoft's 1.25 Billion PC world - they don't like that either - but because Skype was a tiny irritant of big damage before Microsoft bought it. Today Skype cannot be killed because Microsoft owns and bankrolls the existential threat to mobile operator/carrier business. Not my words, Nokia's CEO Stephen Elop told Nokia shareholders that carriers don't like Skype 'of course' and many are refusing any sales of Windows Phone handsets because Microsoft owns Skype. Not my words, that is Windows partner Nokia talking to Nokia shareholders via its ex-Microsoft CEO. So for any carrier to support Windows Phone is like deliberately and knowingly drinking poison.

There is no confusion in this matter. Carriers will never, ever, allow Microsoft's Windows Phone to become a significant player in mobile. Never. Ever, ever. Microsoft and Nokia can bribe their ways into a tiny share. They may get 2%, 3% if lucky, even 4% market share. That would be one THIRD better performance than Microsoft the world's largest software maker and Nokia the world's largest handset maker at the time, managed to achieve at the peak of Lumia success, added to by the best that Samsung, HTC and others could do with Windows Phone this year. The peak performance. And I am allowing 33% better performance. And if you have 4% of the global market for smartphones, you are a tiny meaningless shit. Sorry, didn't mean to say that. A tiny meaningless 'niche', you are not 'the third ecosystem' by any stretch of that definition. Sorry, Ballmer, Gates was the brilliant guy who saw this coming. You are the putz who threw the future all away. Gates at least understood that to migrate customers from one platform to another, you build a migration path, as Microsoft did from DOS to Windows nearly 3 decades ago.


Source: http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/12/android-won-wi...

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17


It is a fact that Windows Phone sales are up, app submissions are up, and app revenue is up. The ecosystem blew by Blackberry to become the third largest mobile ecosystem out there.


Well as of Q3 2012 Blackberry was at 6% marketshare, whereas Windows Phone started at 3%. Q4 is not over yet, so where are you getting those facts?

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