Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 18th Dec 2012 00:03 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft has just responded to Google's move regarding Exchange ActiveSync. Sadly, instead of addressing the very real problems consumers are about to face, Microsoft starts talking about switching to Outlook.com.
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Switching
by bentoo on Tue 18th Dec 2012 00:50 UTC
bentoo
Member since:
2012-09-21

Why is it so wrong with Microsoft profiting off of the development of their own closed (but almost universally accepted) standard? Is this so much worse then Google making proprietary modifications to open standards (i.e. IMAP) and profiting from the work of others?

BTW, I'm thinking about the Outlook.com move. I already use my SkyDrive for most of my online storage, might as well move my email there too.

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RE: Switching
by Brendan on Tue 18th Dec 2012 01:37 in reply to "Switching"
Brendan Member since:
2005-11-16

Hi,

Why is it so wrong with Microsoft profiting off of the development of their own closed (but almost universally accepted) standard? Is this so much worse then Google making proprietary modifications to open standards (i.e. IMAP) and profiting from the work of others?


Step 1: Use your monopoly in one area (OSs) to trick suckers into using your products (and your own closed standards)
Step 2: Use your closed standards to make it hard for users to switch to any competitors product (or, use vendor lock in to prevent fair competition)
Step 3: When anything happens that might convince users to leave anyway, try to get the suckers locked into a different product of yours that also prevents fair competition.

I can't see anything wrong here..

Edited 2012-12-18 01:37 UTC

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RE[2]: Switching
by bentoo on Tue 18th Dec 2012 19:55 in reply to "RE: Switching"
bentoo Member since:
2012-09-21

Step 1: Use your monopoly in one area (OSs) to trick suckers into using your products (and your own closed standards)
Step 2: Use your closed standards to make it hard for users to switch to any competitors product (or, use vendor lock in to prevent fair competition
Step 3: When anything happens that might convince users to leave anyway, try to get the suckers locked into a different product of yours that also prevents fair competition.


Nonsense. Nobody was forced to use EAS. EAS was widely adopted because it filled a much needed void in mobile email (i.e. limited bandwidth, email push, calendar/contact integration, etc.). I cannot see how licensing a protocol creates vendor lock-in. As we now know Google is turning it off so obviously they didn't feel locked-in as you say. In the end, Google turning off EAS may result in people leaving Google. Microsoft didn't have much to lose other than whatever small licensing fee (if any) they were getting.

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RE: Switching
by Soulbender on Tue 18th Dec 2012 02:35 in reply to "Switching"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Is this so much worse then Google making proprietary modifications to open standards (i.e. IMAP) and profiting from the work of others?


What proprietary extensions? They're all documented
https://developers.google.com/google-apps/gmail/imap_extensions

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RE[2]: Switching
by chithanh on Tue 18th Dec 2012 06:02 in reply to "RE: Switching"
chithanh Member since:
2006-06-18

They may be documented, but that still makes them non-standard proprietary extensions that Google can change on a whim.

That said, IMAP IDLE is a supported open standard that allows push, so no excuse for Microsoft shunning it.

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RE: Switching
by modmans2ndcoming on Tue 18th Dec 2012 02:44 in reply to "Switching"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

I've been on outlook.com for months now. It is very good. Sweeping is a nice feature for setting up rules categorizing and filing mail simply by selecting a group of messages and saying "move all to <folder> and do it in the future"

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RE: Switching
by silviucc on Tue 18th Dec 2012 13:31 in reply to "Switching"
silviucc Member since:
2009-12-05

EAS is NOT a standard. It' just a proprietary technology that happens to be in use. Please point me to the specs of this standard so I can roll out my own stuff using it.

Less shilling please. Microsoft should really stop paying stupid propagandists to the detriment of real R&D. They employ smart people, maybe they should use them ?

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RE[2]: Switching
by Nelson on Tue 18th Dec 2012 19:28 in reply to "RE: Switching"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29