Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 18th Dec 2012 17:31 UTC
Internet & Networking "Everyone from CNET to the BBC is freaking out today about Instagram's new terms of service. The new terms, they claim, allow Instagram to sell user's images. Users are understandably upset. Wired published a tutorial on how to download all of your Instagram photos and delete your account. But long-time Instagram users should think twice before pulling the trigger. The truth is that Instagram has always claimed full rights to your images, but has just re-worded their terms of service to make their intentions clearer." People should stop obsessing over individual service's privacy terms. There's a very simple rule on the internet that everyone ought to be aware of: the moment you put something on the web, it's no longer your property. Deal with it. Coincidentally: nobody cares about your stupid Instagram photos.
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RE: Comment by Alfman
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 18th Dec 2012 17:59 UTC in reply to "Comment by Alfman"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

It's a baseline. If you treat the web as I described, you'll never run into trouble.

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RE[2]: Comment by Alfman
by Alfman on Tue 18th Dec 2012 19:22 in reply to "RE: Comment by Alfman"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Thom_Holwerda,

"It's a baseline. If you treat the web as I described, you'll never run into trouble."

What do you mean? It sounds like your rule is saying we shouldn't expect to keep the rights to anything we put on the web. But isn't osnews itself contradicting that rule?

Do you not expect people to obey the footer at the bottom of each page?

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RE[3]: Comment by Alfman
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 18th Dec 2012 19:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Alfman"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Do you not expect people to obey the footer at the bottom of each page?


Honestly? No. You can always ask to be nice - and most people do, and we never decline - but I don't actually expect as such. See? I'm applying my own baseline right there.

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RE[3]: Comment by Alfman
by M.Onty on Tue 18th Dec 2012 19:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Alfman"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23


What do you mean? It sounds like your rule is saying we shouldn't expect to keep the rights to anything we put on the web. But isn't osnews itself contradicting that rule?

Do you not expect people to obey the footer at the bottom of each page?


He's talking about a practical and pragmatic mental attitude, not a legal position. Its still worth trying to defend, or at least state, your copyrights, so long as it being breached in a manner you can't do anything about doesn't upset you.

I do disagree slightly with Thom though. I think its worth people at least being made aware of the lack-of-privacy terms you get with services. Ownership of ones own space on the web or (more futilely perhaps) lobbying for genuine ownership through new services is worth promoting. Royal Mail doesn't claim to own the contents of my post, so its not an inevitable thing. They can just get away with it at the moment as no one reads the damned T&Cs.

I would like to see a legal requirement for a abbreviated terms-and-conditions for services and software. Something less than 500 words.

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RE[2]: Comment by Alfman
by lucas_maximus on Tue 18th Dec 2012 19:53 in reply to "RE: Comment by Alfman"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Sorry, copyright is copyright.

If you give away the copy right via T&Cs then you should have read them, however if an image is yours and exists on your website it is still yours and it should be respected.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I am sorry Thom, sometimes you come off as someone who would rather live in shit than pick up a shovel.

Edited 2012-12-18 19:56 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Alfman
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 18th Dec 2012 19:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Alfman"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

and exists on your website it is still yours and it should be respected


Instagram is not your website.

Edited 2012-12-18 19:57 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Alfman
by Luminair on Wed 19th Dec 2012 05:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Alfman"
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

He's not saying your content isn't yours. He's saying the internet makes it so that anything can be copied, and that life will go on without a strangle hold on content

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