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Microsoft Microsoft has just responded to Google's move regarding Exchange ActiveSync. Sadly, instead of addressing the very real problems consumers are about to face, Microsoft starts talking about switching to Outlook.com.
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Nelson
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2005-11-29


Sure, but it's easy to double your sales QonQ when you're bumping along the bottom at 1-2% of the market.


So? Does that mean that sales are not increasing? The fact that Microsoft is keeping up with the market, and then some, by making small inroads on a region by region basis, is impressive.

No one serious thinks Windows Phone will overnight take the world by storm, but judging from Microsoft in the past, it is a silly bet to bet against them eventually having some sort of presence.

Like I said, people told them to dump Xbox when it was bleeding cash at Entertainment & Devices. Xbox is now one of the shining examples of Microsoft establishing a relevant brand "post-Windows".


When you start at 0 the only way is up, after all.


Do you have evidence to support that every single app developer who's seen a dramatic increase in sales started at zero? No. Because you'd rather use hyperbole to get a zinger in instead of having a sensible discussion.

I personally know people who've made, and continue to make great money on the platform. Between Windows Phone and Windows 8, the revenue has given me more financial freedom than I've had in years.

It is a bald faced lie that Windows Phone and Windows Store both have low download counts, and bring in a small amount of revenue.


There's no evidence that there is any more real, consumer driven momentum behind WP8 than any of their previous mobile platforms, or that there is behind BlackBerry OS, or Meego, or WebOS. That is because currently the platform is an also-ran and it's userbase is counted under "Other", below RIM.


There's no evidence..if you conveniently ignore the evidence like you have.

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Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

So? Does that mean that sales are not increasing?


Oh certainly, sales are increasing. I just object to people trotting out the same tired and twisted stats like it matters. WebOS had two amazing quarters of growth, but that particular statistic is meaningless. It's total devices that matters, and Windows Phone 8 doesn't matter.

The fact that Microsoft is keeping up with the market


But they're not. WP8 market share is lower than WP7 market share was. It remains to be seen if they'll ever regain the heady heights of the 3-4% market share the had back then.

Do you have evidence to support that every single app developer who's seen a dramatic increase in sales started at zero?


They all did. No one was selling Windows Phone 8 apps until Windows Phone 8 launched. Again, a "dramatic increase" is a meaningless statistic. Actual, hard figures.

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There's no evidence that there is any more real, consumer driven momentum behind WP8 than any of their previous mobile platforms


There's no evidence..if you conveniently ignore the evidence like you have.
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Where is it then? Windows Phone 8 hasn't even been out long enough to show up on any market research; what's there is dumped under "Other" along with Meego and WebOS. You have no evidence of anything related to WP8 because the data simply doesn't exist yet.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29



Oh certainly, sales are increasing. I just object to people trotting out the same tired and twisted stats like it matters. WebOS had two amazing quarters of growth, but that particular statistic is meaningless. It's total devices that matters, and Windows Phone 8 doesn't matter.


Sequential growth is also important. QoQ growth for Windows Phone has been steady.

I was replying to the statement that Microsoft has sold no phones. If you're in agreement with me that they have sold phones, then your comment is meaningless besides to toss a few zingers out.


But they're not. WP8 market share is lower than WP7 market share was. It remains to be seen if they'll ever regain the heady heights of the 3-4% market share the had back then.


That's ridiculous. WP7 and WP8 marketshare is to be viewed as just Windows Phone. Or do you count iOS5 marketshare as just iOS5?

Windows Phone 7 devices are still being announced, sold, and marketed all over the world.



They all did. No one was selling Windows Phone 8 apps until Windows Phone 8 launched. Again, a "dramatic increase" is a meaningless statistic. Actual, hard figures.


The increase I'm talking about is for Windows Phone 7 applications in general, since Windows Phone 8 has been released (and if you didn't know, can run WP7 apps)


Where is it then? Windows Phone 8 hasn't even been out long enough to show up on any market research; what's there is dumped under "Other" along with Meego and WebOS. You have no evidence of anything related to WP8 because the data simply doesn't exist yet


My statement isn't exclusive to the WP8 launch, I merely included the app statistics as an indicator of WP8's impact, since like you said, it's too early to do it otherwise.

However, you can look at Windows Phone 7 sales and see a clear acceleration.

There's also a ramp up in Marketplace submissions (up 40%) and the pace at which the Market has grown has increased (and it was already the fastest growing Ecosystem before Windows 8 launched).

Marketshare is somewhat of a lagging indicator in my opinion, but the handset is undoubtedly in many, many more hands than it was even a year ago. That's my entire point, so I'm a little puzzled at the reasoning behind your comment.

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I personally know people who've made, and continue to make great money on the platform. Between Windows Phone and Windows 8, the revenue has given me more financial freedom than I've had in years.

Uh huh. ROTFL. At least we know who you are now and we've established your credibility rating - zero.

It is a bald faced lie that Windows Phone and Windows Store both have low download counts, and bring in a small amount of revenue.

Regardless of what you believe in your fantasy world, the Windows Phone market is miniscule next to that of Android and iOS. You don't know of anyone making 'great money' off it because it simply isn't viable.

Android's app market was a long, long way behind iOS's for many, many years (still is in some ways) before it got some critical mass to the point where it became viable for apps to be developed for it.

The brutal truth is that there is no room whatsoever for a third platform. Any developers that are ignoring hard economics on that are living in a sad, strange little world.

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