Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 18th Dec 2012 00:03 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft has just responded to Google's move regarding Exchange ActiveSync. Sadly, instead of addressing the very real problems consumers are about to face, Microsoft starts talking about switching to Outlook.com.
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RE[11]: Comment by shmerl
by lucas_maximus on Wed 19th Dec 2012 11:07 UTC in reply to "RE[10]: Comment by shmerl"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Well that was a waste of time then.

I don't use hacks unless I have to. I don't support browsers that nobody uses.

I love these pretend problems you have with IE and calling things a turd when quite frankly they aren't.

Edited 2012-12-19 11:14 UTC

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RE[12]: Comment by shmerl
by Laurence on Wed 19th Dec 2012 12:37 in reply to "RE[11]: Comment by shmerl"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


I don't use hacks unless I have to. I don't support browsers that nobody uses.


Well clearly you don't build shops (or other portals with a traditional customer base) professionally. Perhaps your experience is limited to developing intranets for government networks and thus only ever had to specifically target IE6.

Either way, you're massively understating the fragmentation issues between browsers, and more specifically, IE.

Nearly every popular website has IE specific code in it. Regardless of whether that's server side code, client side conditionals or even just code within a framework, it's common place. Even OSNews does (just a quick glance through their jQuery libraries highlighted that).

I will concede that my sites have a lot of webkit, opera and mozilla specific code as well (in the form of browser specific CSS attributes), but IE is the only browser where I've had to write workarounds in Javascript, server side code and HTML.


I love these pretend problems you have with IE and calling things a turd when quite frankly they aren't.

Well I guess if you only every use IE then you'd be ignorant to the problems of it.

A bit like how you've only used one IDE from Borland and assumed their entire product range -past and present- was garbage.

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RE[13]: Comment by shmerl
by lucas_maximus on Wed 19th Dec 2012 18:06 in reply to "RE[12]: Comment by shmerl"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Well clearly you don't build shops (or other portals with a traditional customer base) professionally. Perhaps your experience is limited to developing intranets for government networks and thus only ever had to specifically target IE6.


No actually I provided IE6 - Latest Chrome support since I have started.

I have a VM setup for Each version of IE, because the IE emulator that they have is insufficient (IE9 has attachEvent and addEventListener).

Either way, you're massively understating the fragmentation issues between browsers, and more specifically, IE.


Sorry I don't have problems doing it. I have even solved problems in Chrome (a very similar issue to hasLayout on styling Legend tag)

Nearly every popular website has IE specific code in it. Regardless of whether that's server side code, client side conditionals or even just code within a framework, it's common place. Even OSNews does (just a quick glance through their jQuery libraries highlighted that).


I only write hack WHEN I HAVE TO and they are always well documented as to why.

I will concede that my sites have a lot of webkit, opera and mozilla specific code as well (in the form of browser specific CSS attributes), but IE is the only browser where I've had to write workarounds in Javascript, server side code and HTML.


If you are writing you workaround in Server Side code you are doing it wrong.

Well I guess if you only every use IE then you'd be ignorant to the problems of it.

A bit like how you've only used one IDE from Borland and assumed their entire product range -past and present- was garbage.


I said I didn't like their one IDE, I didn't comment on the rest of them, that is something that lives inside your imagination.

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