Linked by Kaj-de-Vos on Thu 20th Dec 2012 00:22 UTC
Syllable, AtheOS As the Syllable project predicted many years ago, version 3 of the REBOL programming language has finally been open sourced, under the Apache 2 licence (screenshot on Syllable Desktop). Also, the alpha version of the high-level Red programming language, supporting Syllable Desktop, has been released, by now in version 0.3.1 (screenshot, demo program, video at the Science Park in Amsterdam).
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RE[12]: Comment by cipri
by cipri on Mon 24th Dec 2012 17:51 UTC in reply to "RE[11]: Comment by cipri"
cipri
Member since:
2007-02-15

Then some people such as yourself went poisonous and tried to sabotage our work.


when i started the discussion by then it was with a good intention, because at that time stagnating and I didnt understand what was going on, and everybody was silent. Just later I understood, that already at this point it was already too late for syllable. In fact there would have been a little chance in that moment of the discussion. At that moment most devs except you, vanders and necroromancist.... where already not supporting you anymore.
You gave youself the title of "co-leader" (next to vanders), even nobody has elected you. Your work was mostly related to scripting and applying the patches of the others, and you stared to imagine that you are a great developer and need to decide the direction of syllable.

Kaj, i dont want to harm you feelings, but as a scripting guy, it's very unlikely that c++ devs, kernel devs, filesystem engineers,... will pop up to follow you and saying:"scripting guy, tell us what to do next."
Even if you can find "long term followers", they will be of about your own skill, or inferior. And with such a "team" of course you can't get anywhere.

The other strategy can be of course to borrow as much as possible from linux, but since syllable is quite buggy and misses a lot of "instrastructure".... the amount and quality of the ported software is (mathematically speaking) bounded.

related to pyro:
I must admit i tried to tell the people from pyro (syllable fork), that it has not much sense to fork a system like syllable that is not in clean compileable state, that is missing a lot of features, buggy, etc.... when they could have forked haiku, which has all goals of syllable (and from which syllable itself tries to copy, or to be compatible with), and which is in a much more advanced state beating syllable in every domain even at scripting (well, except perhaps at... wallpapers, syllable is better at this, since it seems they also put more effort in wallpapers than haiku).
But they insisted on syllable, and to me this behaviour seems like blind syllable-love.

Now kaj, finally, you are the king of syllable, the only problem is that the castle is broken and the servants are gone, and you need to live on credit and it's unsure for how long you can hide that the king is bankrupt.

I have no problem with syllable, but i would like to see real news about syllable and not this kind of fake news, because it reminds me that once, many years ago syllable the little os with a big future, and now it's clinically dead since years popping up with fake news.

If you dont have technical improvements to report, then instead of such fake news, i would really love to see honest interviews with vanders related to technical stuff related to syllable (e.g. he could explain how a native syllable driver differs from a linux one, etc.), related to his decission to step back from syllable. There is a lot of interesting information related to syllable/atheos/pyro that would make a nice read and from whoes history we all could learn something.

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RE[13]: Comment by cipri
by Kaj-de-Vos on Mon 24th Dec 2012 20:51 in reply to "RE[12]: Comment by cipri"
Kaj-de-Vos Member since:
2010-06-09

So let's see... Syllable was great. I was worthless. All the devs left because worthless me was somehow able to chase them away. The devs were united in their disgust of me, so they forked Syllable into Pyro. Seeing that only worthless me was subtracted from the Syllable project, Pyro went on to become a great success and conquer the world.

Hmm, somehow that doesn't add up.

Happy Xmas to you, too.

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RE[14]: Comment by cipri
by demetrioussharpe on Tue 25th Dec 2012 03:36 in reply to "RE[13]: Comment by cipri"
demetrioussharpe Member since:
2009-01-09

So let's see... Syllable was great. I was worthless. All the devs left because worthless me was somehow able to chase them away. The devs were united in their disgust of me, so they forked Syllable into Pyro. Seeing that only worthless me was subtracted from the Syllable project, Pyro went on to become a great success and conquer the world.


Now, you're getting ahead of your self. OS development is hard work. You'd already know this had you actually done any. We'll worry about being a great success & taking over the world AFTER we hammer this code into shape. When that's done, maybe we'll become a huge success, but there's a lot of hard work between then & now. You & I (plus a lot of other people) intimately know that you were a huge part in the neglect of the codebase having features. It's hard to understand why someone who wasn't doing any of the coding had so much 'NO' power concerning certain things. You can only use that word so many times before people stop doing work. It's clear from your attitude & behavior that you have absolutely ZERO leadership skills. However, all of that is besides the point. Instead of trying to push the focus of failure towards us, maybe you should work on your OS.

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