Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 27th Dec 2012 10:19 UTC, submitted by anonymous
General Development "Computers are ubiquitous in modern life. They offer us portals to information and entertainment, and they handle the complex tasks needed to keep many facets of modern society running smoothly. Chances are, there is not a single person in Ars' readership whose day-to-day existence doesn't rely on computers in one manner or another. Despite this, very few people know how computers actually do the things that they do. How does one go from what is really nothing more than a collection - a very large collection, mind you - of switches to the things we see powering the modern world?"
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kwan_e
Member since:
2007-02-18

Otherwise you are just in a fucking fantasy world.


Grow up. This argument is not that important.

You complain about me not addressing your points, but neither have you. You and the other one just throws around words like "naive" or "idealism" or "fantasy" as if they're arguments.

CASE IN POINT:

Admiral Grace Hopper invented the concept of human readable programming languages when the top scientists at the time were convinced it was impossible.

You and the other one are making the same kind of arguments those old fogeys have. You cannot deny this. Human readable languages were "naive", "idealistic" or "fantasy".

History is on my side.

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TM99 Member since:
2012-08-26

The article is about programming for beginners. You extrapolate that out and 'predict' that within 50 years we will all be programmers even when we aren't computer scientists or IT professionals.

I and others point out that this is a bad prediction. Here's why. You counter with political idealism. You counter with economic pipe-dreams like some Star Trekian utopia where we no longer work jobs or spend money.

Now you bring up a complete non sequitor about some admiral inventing a readable programming language. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Nothing. It is only relevant to computer programmers and not the average worker in other fields professional white-collar or blue collar drones.

History is not on your side in this argument about computer programming and the masses. The men and women who invented the foundational languages for programming today are dying off. My generation which grew up using these languages in order to use our computers are beginning to exit the workforce. The younger generations are not learning more and more programming languages. They are learning fewer. Only nerds, geeks, and hobbyists are playing with these languages. They aren't being used in fields other than IT and computer science or very rarely.

I am not an IT professional. I do, however, know some programming languages and use them daily in my work and teaching. I have graduate students today who I will inform that if they are serious about doing psychological research it behooves them to learn the R programming language. Is there excitement? Have any them even learned a whit about computer programming like I did? No. The usual response is "Is there an app for that for my iPad?"

This is not going to be changing when computers have evolved to a point where it is all point and click on big shiny pads or small little gadgets with a million and one apps for everything from how many times you picked your nose today to a library for your mp3's. My best friend and I in high school wrote our own fucking library application in Apple Pascal so we could catalog our LP collection.

Sorry, that is the reality outside of OSNews and the IT geek and hobbyist worlds with the current generations.

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kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

The article is about programming for beginners. You extrapolate that out and 'predict' that within 50 years we will all be programmers even when we aren't computer scientists or IT professionals.


Uh no, READ VERY CAREFULLY:

"Basic programming will possibly be considered a basic knowledge area, just like how everyone is expected to know basic maths and have basic literacy skills today."

Consider you and the other one are continually arguing your strawman, I see no point in rebutting your irrelevant arguments.

I and others point out that this is a bad prediction. Here's why. You counter with political idealism. You counter with economic pipe-dreams like some Star Trekian utopia where we no longer work jobs or spend money.


Uh no, I don't "counter". I responded to another commenter's question with a possible scenario.

You really like arguing strawmen don't you?

Now you bring up a complete non sequitor about some admiral inventing a readable programming language. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Nothing. It is only relevant to computer programmers and not the average worker in other fields professional white-collar or blue collar drones.


That example is very relevant in revealing that criticisms of my prediction is in the very same vein of those against Admiral Grace Hopper's.

I even wrote "History is on my side", the relevance of which is quite clear.

History is not on your side in this argument about computer programming and the masses. The men and women who invented the foundational languages for programming today are dying off. My generation which grew up using these languages in order to use our computers are beginning to exit the workforce. The younger generations are not learning more and more programming languages. They are learning fewer. Only nerds, geeks, and hobbyists are playing with these languages. They aren't being used in fields other than IT and computer science or very rarely.


Again, arguing a strawman I did not say.

I did not say everyone will become a degreed professional. In fact, I very much argued against that.

In much the same way, compared to 50 years ago, people today know more about basic maths skills and literacy skills. Not everyone is a maths or english/language major, but the basic skills are more widespread.

Read carefully next time. Stop arguing strawman and stop being a dick about it.

I am not an IT professional. I do, however, know some programming languages and use them daily in my work and teaching. I have graduate students today who I will inform that if they are serious about doing psychological research it behooves them to learn the R programming language. Is there excitement? Have any them even learned a whit about computer programming like I did? No. The usual response is "Is there an app for that for my iPad?"


Glad to see you're basing your violent criticisms on anecdotal evidence.

And I'm the one with the poor predictions.

This is not going to be changing when computers have evolved to a point where it is all point and click on big shiny pads or small little gadgets with a million and one apps for everything from how many times you picked your nose today to a library for your mp3's. My best friend and I in high school wrote our own fucking library application in Apple Pascal so we could catalog our LP collection.

Sorry, that is the reality outside of OSNews and the IT geek and hobbyist worlds with the current generations.


Compare today's technological and educational situation to 50 years ago, and you'll see how stupid your short-sightedness is.

You continue to prove you argument IS nothing more than old man "everything is good during my prime time, but these current generations are degenerating".

This is why I resisted addressing your points. They're old and I was right about the basic thrust of your argument even though you keep imagining it isn't.

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