Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 29th Dec 2012 16:37 UTC
Linux It's sad that we need this, but alas - Matthew Garret has made a list of Linux distributions that boot on Windows 8 PCs with Secure Boot enabled. Tellingly enough, the list is short. Very short. Can someone hack this nonsense into oblivion please?
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Comment by kurkosdr
by kurkosdr on Sat 29th Dec 2012 17:00 UTC
kurkosdr
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2011-04-11

Can someone hack this nonsense into oblivion please?


Or Linux distros can stop the "I am not including the workaround because I have moral objections" and get on with life.

Does secure boot suck? Of course. Does Microsoft and the 99% of the population who use whatever operating system ships with the machine, care? Of course not. Should distros adapt to the current situation? Well, rational thinking sez yes.

We 've been through this before with libdvdcss. A working workaround exists and yet distros are not using it as to make a "statement". Did it made any difference? Not, it just made the lifes of newbie Ubuntu users harder, because they had to find codecs and libdvdcss. At least ubuntu has wisen-ed up

Edited 2012-12-29 17:01 UTC

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by WereCatf on Sat 29th Dec 2012 18:33 in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

We 've been through this before with libdvdcss. A working workaround exists and yet distros are not using it as to make a "statement".


You do realize that libdvdcss is illegal in many parts of the world? That is one of the reasons for not including it, no sane Linux-distro maintainer wants to be found guilty of illegalities. There are workarounds, but alas, there's always this or that hoop to jump through.

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RE[2]: Comment by kurkosdr
by KrustyVader on Sun 30th Dec 2012 03:37 in reply to "RE: Comment by kurkosdr"
KrustyVader Member since:
2006-10-28

You do realize that libdvdcss is illegal in many parts of the world?


When you say 'many' you really mean 'a few', right?.

It's funny how the region code of the DVDs only help the piracy. I live in region 4... most of the DVD where never release for this region, and if you try to get a version from other region most of the sellers won't sell it (for legal reasons). So the only way to get a lot of movies/series is getting a copy because there is NO original version.

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by Vanders on Sat 29th Dec 2012 18:41 in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

Or Linux distros can stop the "I am not including the workaround because I have moral objections" and get on with life.


Yeah, just roll over and get on with it. Don't complain. Microsoft surely know what they're doing and it's all for our own good. Why make a fuss?

We 've been through this before with libdvdcss. A working workaround exists and yet distros are not using it as to make a "statement".


Distributions do not omit libdvdcss (and codecs) to make a "statement", they omit it because it is illegal in several countries including the USA and the maintainers don't like the idea of possibly being arrested and charged should they go on a nice holiday to the USA one day in the future.

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RE[2]: Comment by kurkosdr
by kurkosdr on Sat 29th Dec 2012 20:29 in reply to "RE: Comment by kurkosdr"
kurkosdr Member since:
2011-04-11

Distributions do not omit libdvdcss (and codecs) to make a "statement", they omit it because it is illegal in several countries including the USA and the maintainers don't like the idea of possibly being arrested and charged should they go on a nice holiday to the USA one day in the future.


This is another "statement" that is particularly annoying. Not including something because it's illegal under the US and UK laws. See, most Linux distro maintainers are from the US or the UK, and seem to think the world must get shafted the same way they are, as to raise "awareness" for the problems their country has. Seriously, if some country like China bans cryptography (has happened before in more 'democratic' countries), what are the distro maintainers going to do? Remove all cryptography code from Linux, just so they don't get arrested if they ever visit China? Why is the US is more important than, say, China?

No fine folks, the omission of libdvdcss is either the result of a US-centric view of the world, or an effort by the maintainers to raise "awareness". In both cases, a "statement". There is no reason why there shouldn't be an "international" version of Ubuntu with full codecs and libdvdcss. Same for secure boot in most distros. It's all about "awareness". No legal hurdles this time. It's a "statement" again from stuborn maintainers.

BTW, the US authorities haven't issued an arrest warrant for the Mint guys yet...

And libdvdcss might not be exactly illegal in the US... http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/23/29099.htm

You do realize that libdvdcss is illegal in many parts of the world?

US, UK, maybe Germany, end-of-list. The Mint guys have no problem shipping it.

Yeah, just roll over and get on with it. Don't complain. Microsoft surely know what they're doing and it's all for our own good. Why make a fuss?

I complained, read my first post again about how secure boot sucks. The DRM in DVDs sucks even more. But what are you going to do? You can't "isolate" yourself from the problem by not supporting PCs with secure boot anymore, or by not having DVD playback. This is silly 70s thinking that has been passed by the FSF to many distro developers: See a problem? Isolate yourself from the problem by boycotting stuff. Don't try to workaround the problem. Unfortunately, most people don't think that way, so you are basically isolating yourself (and your distro) from the real world.

Edited 2012-12-29 20:38 UTC

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by Wafflez on Sat 29th Dec 2012 22:38 in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
Wafflez Member since:
2011-06-26

Heh, when Linux will stop being idealistic, it might get actually good.

Scarry, I know.

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