Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd Jan 2013 23:38 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft's legal chief: "We continue to be dogged by an issue we had hoped would be resolved by now: Google continues to prevent Microsoft from offering consumers a fully featured YouTube app for the Windows Phone." Utter nonsense, since MetroTube offers a complete and full YouTube experience on Windows Phone (it's one of the best Windows Phone applications), and YouTube+ on Windows 8. Two fantastically rich applications, built by small ISVs - yet Microsoft can't do the same? Don't make me laugh. Coincidentally, Microsoft is also whining some more about Google's removal of ActiveSync - Redmond again refuses to acknowledge that all it needs to do is implement the open standards CalDAV and CardDAV, just like everyone else has done. Times have changed, Ballmer. You don't get to dictate the industry anymore.
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Please Thom
by Nelson on Wed 2nd Jan 2013 23:59 UTC
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

For once, actually use the Windows Phones you claim you have.

MetroTube, YouTube+, et all are ROUTINELY BROKEN by YouTube. In fact, MetroTube was broken by YouTube just the other day. The FACT is that Google is actively subverting these applications.

If Microsoft did ANYTHING on this level, there'd be 10 articles a day, you'd probably find a Jury foreman on a murder trial somewhere, and do some kind of witch hunt against him too.

This is utterly and completely RIDICULOUS.

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RE: Please Thom
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 00:08 in reply to "Please Thom"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

They were broken because YouTube changed its API in various ways. That's life. APIs change. Third party developers adapt. Every company known to man does this, and there's no evidence WHATSOEVER that this was done on purpose just to break everything.

They are also not "routinely broken". That's a clear and utter lie. I've been using YouTube+ for god knows how long, and this was the FIRST time this happened - and it was fixed quickly.

MetroTube and YouTube+ (and various others) are evidence that Microsoft is making excuses for its own failing to provide a good YouTube application.

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RE[2]: Please Thom
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 00:10 in reply to "RE: Please Thom"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

MetroTube and YouTube+ break because they use non-documented APIs, the public facing YouTube API has hardly changed.

Why does MetroTube need to use these APIs?

Wait for it.


Because YouTube doesn't offer up an API. It's also interesting that only third party YouTube apps which are forced to use these APIs break, and not officially sanctioned YouTube apps.

The fact that you make excuses for this is ridiculous.

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RE[2]: Please Thom
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 00:19 in reply to "RE: Please Thom"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Furthermore, Microsoft has stated they are ready to release a YouTube app, and is just waiting on consent from Google to do so, since it is part of the non-public API.

Google refuses to do so. Microsoft has stated that the YouTube team themselves would like this to happen, but higher ups at Google prevent this from happening.

Seriously, not having YouTube is a serious chink in Windows Phone's armor, and I don't think Microsoft would lie about honestly wanting a YouTube app on the platform but being blocked by Google. They're not the ones with the leverage here.

MetroTube and YouTube+ have to spoof their requests to make them seem like they're coming from supported platforms. Its a constant cat and mouse game.

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RE[2]: Please Thom
by Kochise on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 06:44 in reply to "RE: Please Thom"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

I'm wondering : how MANY times the MSN APIs and protocol slightly shifted and rendered third parties' client non functioning ?

"Hello!!?? Hello!?? ANYBODY HOME!??? Think McBallmer Think?!"

Kochise

Edited 2013-01-03 06:44 UTC

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RE: Please Thom
by WorknMan on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 04:53 in reply to "Please Thom"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

If Microsoft did ANYTHING on this level, there'd be 10 articles a day, you'd probably find a Jury foreman on a murder trial somewhere, and do some kind of witch hunt against him too.

This is utterly and completely RIDICULOUS.


Of course, you're right. But with Microsoft having been evil jackasses for well over a decade, it's kind of hard for me to shed a tear for them. It's like watching a bully finally getting his ass beat.

What can I say? karma is a bitch ;) And Google is going to get theirs one day as well, especially if they continue their path to the dark side.

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RE[2]: Please Thom
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 05:31 in reply to "RE: Please Thom"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I hear you 100% on the karma bit, but there are ways to hurt Microsoft without hurting end users.

Google has now purposely crippled their Email offerings and locked out consumers from one of their most popular services, all over a petty pissing contest with Microsoft.

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RE: Please Thom
by JAlexoid on Fri 4th Jan 2013 12:43 in reply to "Please Thom"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

The FACT is that Google is actively subverting these applications.

Maybe because they are not adhering to YouTube ToS and use the same hacks as YouTube video downloaders use. And YouTube video downloaders are violating both ToS and copyrights. These are essentially illegal apps.

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RE[2]: Please Thom
by Nelson on Fri 4th Jan 2013 14:48 in reply to "RE: Please Thom"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I agree. I don't think I ever disagreed. My comment was in reply to Thom saying that because these apps do it, it must be feasible for Microsoft to do so as well.

Read for comprehension.

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