Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd Jan 2013 23:38 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft's legal chief: "We continue to be dogged by an issue we had hoped would be resolved by now: Google continues to prevent Microsoft from offering consumers a fully featured YouTube app for the Windows Phone." Utter nonsense, since MetroTube offers a complete and full YouTube experience on Windows Phone (it's one of the best Windows Phone applications), and YouTube+ on Windows 8. Two fantastically rich applications, built by small ISVs - yet Microsoft can't do the same? Don't make me laugh. Coincidentally, Microsoft is also whining some more about Google's removal of ActiveSync - Redmond again refuses to acknowledge that all it needs to do is implement the open standards CalDAV and CardDAV, just like everyone else has done. Times have changed, Ballmer. You don't get to dictate the industry anymore.
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RE[4]: Please Thom
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 00:23 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Please Thom"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

OOXML and the network protocols SAMBA uses are open and documented standards/protocols.

YouTube is not. You can't find documentation to make a fully featured YouTube client. I don't think you understand this.

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RE[5]: Please Thom
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 00:28 in reply to "RE[4]: Please Thom"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You can't find documentation to make a fully featured YouTube client.


And yet, they exist. Many of them. Often better than Google's own offerings. It would be great to have it open, but from a practical standpoint, it doesn't seem to matter.

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RE[6]: Please Thom
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 00:34 in reply to "RE[5]: Please Thom"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

The point is that exist in spite of Google's efforts, and they constantly need reengineering to work again. It's far from a pleasant experience.

MetroTube has broken 2-3 times in the past year, and then earlier in 2011 for over a month. To say this is good enough, and then dismiss Microsoft's claims as petty is unfair.

But okay, I get it, you did your little OSNews hit job of the week. Good job.

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RE[6]: Please Thom
by gedmurphy on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 10:04 in reply to "RE[5]: Please Thom"
gedmurphy Member since:
2005-12-23

Thom, you're desperately wrong on this! MetroTube is a hack which uses undocumented APIs to get access to youtube's content.

iOS and Android are given unrestricted access to the public APIs, but Windows Phone is blocked.

Microsoft have a 'MetroTube' available, but the reason they can't release it is because they're obviously under a lot more scrutiny and can't get away with what indie devs are doing.

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RE[5]: Please Thom
by tylerdurden on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 05:40 in reply to "RE[4]: Please Thom"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17


You can't find documentation to make a fully featured YouTube client. I don't think you understand this.


Huh?

https://developers.google.com/youtube/

Edited 2013-01-03 05:41 UTC

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RE[6]: Please Thom
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 06:02 in reply to "RE[5]: Please Thom"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Have you actually tried to use the API? Are you stupid? Is this entire article made up? Are the issues that third party Windows Phone and Windows Store apps have imaginary? Are you inebriated?

YouTube offers a SUBSET of APIs available, you CANNOT build a fully functional YouTube client using the public API because it is incomplete and only allows for superficial integration with the service.

If you had bothered to read the documentation (you didn't) or even bothered to try to implement the API (again, you didn't) or even did the slightest amount of due diligence (nope again) you'd know this is true.

This is what is truly infuriating, you're so interested in a fucking gotcha that you don't even take the time to do basic research.

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RE[5]: Please Thom
by The1stImmortal on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 10:33 in reply to "RE[4]: Please Thom"
The1stImmortal Member since:
2005-10-20

Sorry to butt into the convo here, but:
Documentation to create a fully featured YouTube client:
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/
- http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma-2...
- http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devne...

There's some other docs those ones depend on but that's pretty but the core of it right there.

Of course, most computing devices have at least a partial implementation already.

;)

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