Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd Jan 2013 23:38 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft's legal chief: "We continue to be dogged by an issue we had hoped would be resolved by now: Google continues to prevent Microsoft from offering consumers a fully featured YouTube app for the Windows Phone." Utter nonsense, since MetroTube offers a complete and full YouTube experience on Windows Phone (it's one of the best Windows Phone applications), and YouTube+ on Windows 8. Two fantastically rich applications, built by small ISVs - yet Microsoft can't do the same? Don't make me laugh. Coincidentally, Microsoft is also whining some more about Google's removal of ActiveSync - Redmond again refuses to acknowledge that all it needs to do is implement the open standards CalDAV and CardDAV, just like everyone else has done. Times have changed, Ballmer. You don't get to dictate the industry anymore.
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Perspective
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 00:39 UTC
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

While Microsoft has documented, opened up, and even implemented apps and protocols on other platforms, Google can't be bothered to do the same.

However, to some people on this site Microsoft is still anti-competitive and monopolistic and Google can do no evil.

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RE: Perspective
by wojtek on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 00:48 in reply to "Perspective"
wojtek Member since:
2010-01-24

MS only has done that becase they finally acnowlaged that they are kinda non-important... oh the pity - noone want to use IE so we have to give up all this 'jarring experience' bullshit... at MS they were probably crying while coding...

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RE[2]: Perspective
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 00:49 in reply to "RE: Perspective"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I think its past your bed time.

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RE: Perspective
by kwan_e on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 00:51 in reply to "Perspective"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

While Microsoft has documented, opened up, and even implemented apps and protocols on other platforms, Google can't be bothered to do the same.

However, to some people on this site Microsoft is still anti-competitive and monopolistic and Google can do no evil.


If anyone remembers Steve Yegge's publicized rant, this is a long running problem with the Google culture. It is incompetence, no malice.

Basically, the point of Yegge's rant was that Google can't do platforms. It takes a huge cultural shift and enormous dedication the kind he claims he saw when he worked at Amazon but was lacking in Google. It seems it is still lacking.

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RE: Perspective
by Soulbender on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 03:23 in reply to "Perspective"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

However, to some people on this site Microsoft is still anti-competitive and monopolistic


Maybe that's because they still are?

Google can do no evil.


Dude, it's in their mission statement. Who are we to doubt that?

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RE[2]: Perspective
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 03:58 in reply to "RE: Perspective"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Do _any_ of your comments contain substance? Ever?

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RE: Perspective
by 0brad0 on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 04:11 in reply to "Perspective"
0brad0 Member since:
2007-05-05

While Microsoft has documented, opened up, and even implemented apps and protocols on other platforms, Google can't be bothered to do the same.

However, to some people on this site Microsoft is still anti-competitive and monopolistic and Google can do no evil.


Ya, kicking and screaming as they were forced to. MS is still very much anti-competitive. Google is far from perfect but at least the file formats they introduce are open and documented in full with reference implementations and the protocol extensions are documented.

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RE[2]: Perspective
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 04:30 in reply to "RE: Perspective"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Ya, kicking and screaming as they were forced to. MS is still very much anti-competitive. Google is far from perfect but at least the file formats they introduce are open and documented in full with reference implementations and the protocol extensions are documented.


Nobody forced Microsoft to do any of the above. Unless you have any proof? You called me a troll in your other comment but the only one spreading falsehoods here is you.

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RE: Perspective
by JAlexoid on Fri 4th Jan 2013 13:32 in reply to "Perspective"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Microsoft was forced by market conditions. Google makes more apps on competing platforms then Microsoft. Google Maps app on iOS is better then on Android. I'm pretty sure that there is a Google Search app on WP8, as there is one on W8.

Google has started with open protocols(and still do support open and proprietary protocols), while Microsoft is reacting to the fact that they have to implement them to stay relevant.

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RE[2]: Perspective
by Nelson on Fri 4th Jan 2013 14:39 in reply to "RE: Perspective"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Microsoft was forced by market conditions. Google makes more apps on competing platforms then Microsoft. Google Maps app on iOS is better then on Android. I'm pretty sure that there is a Google Search app on WP8, as there is one on W8.


I think that's just a side effect of a development cycles. From time to time Microsoft's SkyDrive apps are better than iOS, but as the development cycle turns, the improvements come to Windows Phone and Android apps as well.

The Google Search app on WP8 is useless while the W8 app is superb. Google has at least shown that when pressed, it can make a beautiful app for Windows 8, which is what is even more frustrating for end users.

Google has started with open protocols(and still do support open and proprietary protocols), while Microsoft is reacting to the fact that they have to implement them to stay relevant.


I love how you say "Stay relevant" as if EAS wasn't pretty much de-facto and Microsoft wasn't reaping in serious bank off of it.

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