Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd Jan 2013 23:38 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft's legal chief: "We continue to be dogged by an issue we had hoped would be resolved by now: Google continues to prevent Microsoft from offering consumers a fully featured YouTube app for the Windows Phone." Utter nonsense, since MetroTube offers a complete and full YouTube experience on Windows Phone (it's one of the best Windows Phone applications), and YouTube+ on Windows 8. Two fantastically rich applications, built by small ISVs - yet Microsoft can't do the same? Don't make me laugh. Coincidentally, Microsoft is also whining some more about Google's removal of ActiveSync - Redmond again refuses to acknowledge that all it needs to do is implement the open standards CalDAV and CardDAV, just like everyone else has done. Times have changed, Ballmer. You don't get to dictate the industry anymore.
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Fair is fair...
by galvanash on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 03:38 UTC
galvanash
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2006-01-25

Utter nonsense, since MetroTube offers a complete and full YouTube experience on Windows Phone (it's one of the best Windows Phone applications)...


You do know that on Dec 22nd the developers of this app decided to pull it from the marketplace - for the very reasons Microsoft is complaining about...

http://www.wpcentral.com/metrotube-be-discontinued-after-january-1s...

Now this may have been a knee-jerk reaction. They have since posted an update that currently works so maybe they thought it over and changed their mind. Point is Microsoft isn't the only party affected by this - 3rd party apps are in the same exact boat.

Yes, you can write a full featured YouTube app - but only if you are willing to use intentionally undocumented and unsupported methods.

Facts are facts - Google does not want unlicensed 3rd parties writing full featured YouTube apps. Whether they actively police it by changing under the hood APIs isn't really relevant - their official policy is they don't want you to write them.

I'm just saying... Sure, Microsoft has been guilty of worse in the past. But you can't just give Google a pass and blame Microsoft for the situation. Microsoft can't do what these small ISVs do - they can't afford it. Just imagine what would happen if 80% of WP8 users were using the official Microsoft YouTube app and Google just decided to pull the plug on them... The PR backlash would be catastrophic.

You can't be Microsoft and write software conforming to unsupported APIs that can change on the whim of another service provider - there have to be guarantees in place...

Google owns YouTube, they can do with it what they will. But the reason there is no "good" 1st party YouTube app on Windows Phone is Google's policies. Its not whining, it is simply the truth.

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RE: Fair is fair...
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 03:51 in reply to "Fair is fair..."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

MetroTube guys pulled it because Hiding/Unhiding in the Store is an instant process. They wanted to shield themselves as much as possible from the influx of new users and bad ratings/reviews. Windows Phone Store is cutthroat when it comes to reviews. Either it works perfectly or you're 1 starred into irrelevancy.

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RE[2]: Fair is fair...
by galvanash on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 03:59 in reply to "RE: Fair is fair..."
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

MetroTube guys pulled it because Hiding/Unhiding in the Store is an instant process. They wanted to shield themselves as much as possible from the influx of new users and bad ratings/reviews. Windows Phone Store is cutthroat when it comes to reviews. Either it works perfectly or you're 1 starred into irrelevancy.


Maybe... I'm just going by what they told their users - which was that Google did not offer supported APIs for their intended feature set.

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RE: Fair is fair...
by relas on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 06:25 in reply to "Fair is fair..."
relas Member since:
2013-01-03

Is it me or is that news article from over a year ago? (Dec 22nd, 2011, discussing a takedown on Jan 1st, 2012, and we are in 2013 ..)

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RE[2]: Fair is fair...
by Nelson on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 06:30 in reply to "RE: Fair is fair..."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

It is an old article, but there was a recent MetroTube outage as well because of YouTube API changes. This one was maybe a week or two ago.

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RE[2]: Fair is fair...
by galvanash on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 07:10 in reply to "RE: Fair is fair..."
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Eck... The year on that article didn't register properly when I read it. I always get mixed up the first few days of a new year. I was thinking it was recent (i.e. 2012)

Regardless, it still supports my argument more or less. A year ago the developer was making the same complaints that Microsoft is making now. Nothing has really changed in the last year, they are still dealing with API breakages as they come. Microsoft can't afford to operate like that - they need guarantees or at least private channel communications about upcoming changes with some lead time.

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