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RE[2]: unfair jab at Microsoft
by chekr on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 12:28
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RE[3]: unfair jab at Microsoft
by The1stImmortal on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 12:35
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Actually it wasn't the "surveillance" part I was really disagreeing with. It was the "include" bit
Note I carefully avoided taking a personal stance on the "surveillance" angle.
Yes I'm being pedantic
Your original post looked just a bit too much like a shill or even a legal threat(which it's not, and I'm not saying you are, but it *looked* like that kind of post), to avoid me posting like I did 




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Windows does not track any user behaviour whatsoever unless you elect (*choose*) to participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program.
Only when you activate Windows does the Windows Activation Technology send the following information to the validation server:
•Computer make and model
•Version information for the operating system and software
•Region and language settings
•A unique number assigned to your computer by the tools (Globally Unique Identifier or GUID)
•Product Key (hashed) and Product ID
•BIOS name, revision number, and revision date
•Hard drive volume serial number (hashed)
•Whether the installation was successful if one was performed
•The result of the validation check, including error codes and information about any activation exploits and any related malicious or unauthorized software found or disabled
The above does not at all amount to surveillance code or behaviour.
Please correct the text or substantiate what surveillance is taking place in a default Windows installation, that you know about, but the rest of the world does not.
Unless Windows downloads the binaries to perform the elective user tracking upon the user making said choice, then technically yes, it does include code to perform what could be considered by some to be "surveillance code to track user behavior and send this information to vendor servers". Whether or not said code is actually called under a default installation without user consent is an entirely different matter.
Imagine a car that includes a GPS phone-home tracker. If you don't turn it on, that doesn't mean the car no longer includes a GPS phone-home tracker.
Another argument one could make is that when sold as an OEM package with what is often termed "bloatware" - there is other software (such as search bars, etc) which would qualify as "surveillance code to track user behavior and send this information to vendor servers", "included" with the Windows operating system (albeit not a part of the operating system per se, but included by the OEM)
Finally, Windows Activation could be considered to be performing at least "surveillance" over a couple of aspects of user activity - OS reinstalls and hardware modifications. Claiming "The above does not at all amount to surveillance code or behaviour." is purely subjective based on one's interpretation of "surveillance code or behaviour"