Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 21:23 UTC, submitted by Adurbe
Linux "Ubuntu, once the darling of desktop Linux and the overwhelmingly popular choice for newcomers, may soon lose that role to Mint." I switched to Mint KDE, and have no intention of going back. By the way, KDE4 is finally good (don't hit me, Aaron) - fast, fluid, stable, pretty, and thanks to its versatility, a joy to use after a few hours of tweaking. Just... Please, unify Plasma and the regular widget style. This is insanity.
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I am not sure about the logic
by LinuxCanuck on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 23:05 UTC
LinuxCanuck
Member since:
2010-03-15

Mint is not the most widely used distro regardless what Distrowatch says. Ubuntu is still the front runner by any metric that is actually based on data. So you are using a distro based on the front runner with pretensions of greatness that it cannot hope to live up to. Mint is dividing its eggs into too many baskets and is bound to come up short. It is just a matter of time before people realise this.

Mint needs to decide on one desktop and it can't seem to do that. As for Mint KDE why use something that comes out a month or two after Ubuntu after waiting for six months for changes that you can get in Kubuntu right away?

The biggest problem with Mint is that it cannot sit on the fence forever. You need to make decisions that will eventually PO some of your users or you are not making the right decisions. You cannot be everything in the quest for popularity which is what they are trying to be.

It is no longer the most newbie friendly distro. It does not have an upgrade tool. It requires the user to make too many up front decisions. Mate? Cinnamon? KDE? WTF are they anyway to a refugee from Windows which offers zero choice?

Ubuntu has the right strategy. It is adding value. While Mint is trying to recapture the past, Ubuntu is moving forward at a pace that Mint cannot hope to compete with. Besides GNOME is a dead horse to flog. Basing two of your three desktops on a loser is not a good option, IMO.

I am NOT an Ubuntu user. I have used KDE for over ten years and started with Mandrake. I like most distros, but Mint totally baffles me. It is neither fish nor fowl and I do not like that. I respect Clem and wish that he would get off the fence and decide where to concentrate his efforts and quit reading his press clippings.

I remember PCLOS only too well with its pretensions of being more than it was.

Edited 2013-01-03 23:05 UTC

Reply Score: 8

Lorin Member since:
2010-04-06

Except that all derivatives including
mint have an Ubuntu ID string so those metrics are invalid.

Reply Parent Score: 7

boblowski Member since:
2007-07-23

Those are some very valid points you make.

Personally I feel Mint is one of the most pleasant distros to use. Never gives me problems, it 'just works' out of the box. And purely from a tech-savvy end user's viewpoint, it's nice to have options.

But even for me, all the different releases they offer are confusing and the bennefits are not always clear. I had to spend a day testing both the Cinnamon and the Mate releases, just to get a feel for the differences and options. I don't think most new Linux users want to spend that kind of time. They want an OS that is 'best' and where they feel they are not left out in the cold with their questions or problems.

More importantly, from a marketing angle, I think Mint is very careless with their brand management. Their original selling point was that Mint was Ubuntu that just works, without the need for any post-installation tinkering. But they never quite managed to develop that into their own premium product. Right now Mint seems to be more like a collection of rebranded and upgraded products. A kind of Linux tuning service, if you will.

Like you, I feel Mint really should cut down the width of their offerings, and aim for a more focussed approach. Perhaps even purely concentrate on a single release (perhaps LMDE, my favourite at the moment). There are only so many disenchanted Ubuntu users you can win over...

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crhylove Member since:
2010-04-10

Ridiculous assertion. Linux Mint has 5 flavors, and one of them is the best OS I've ever used. How do the other 4 effect that? They don't.

Linux Mint 14 xfce edition is the fastest, stablest, easiest to use OS I've ever installed. I installed it on at least 20 machines over the holidays.

Not one complaint.

Not ONE.

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AmigaRobbo Member since:
2005-11-15

Because you don't know which of these 'Mints' is the good one?

Don't say well, you need to try them all to see which is the best for you, that's the kinda the point that the original poster was making.

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sultanqasim Member since:
2006-10-28

Whatever you may feel, I and have many others found Mint to be exactly what the Linux desktop needs. Ubuntu has been progressively becoming overly commercialized, and Unity along with GNOME 3 are both regressions in terms of usability and functionality compared to traditional desktops like KDE4, GNOME 2/MATE, and XFCE.

Furthermore, it seems to me that the quality of Ubuntu releases has been declining, particularly with 12.10.

Linux Mint gives a polished, more reliable Ubuntu, with many DE choices to suit a variety of Linux users.

Why make decisions to piss off users? The way it is now, it offers choice to satisfy almost anyone, and gives a higher quality, more polished release than what Ubuntu offers.

Mint adds value by taking Ubuntu, polishing it, fixing leftover bugs in Ubuntu, and replacing Unity with more functional and less annoying DEs. Ubuntu takes Linux, and makes it less usable by tacking on Unity.

What is Ubuntu gaining by pissing off its users? Ubuntu is losing community support at a pace that Mint cannot hope to compete with.

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