Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 3rd Jan 2013 23:42 UTC
Google So, Gingerbread has finally dropped below 50% of devices accessing Google Play. Ice Cream Sandwich has almost hit the 30%, and after six months, Jelly Bean (4.1 and 4.2) almost hit the 10%. Google's page listing these numbers is like a trainwreck in slowmotion.
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RE: Trainwreck?
by WorknMan on Fri 4th Jan 2013 02:19 UTC in reply to "Trainwreck?"
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

Huh? What does "trainwreck" even mean?


It means that ICS being over a year old and only on about 30% of devices is pathetic. I have a Nexus 4 myself and am quite fond of it, but I feel sorry for the devs that have to code for this trainwreck of an OS and its myriad of devices. And don't start with the 'but it's the carriers fault' bullshit either. If that were the case, most Android tablets not sold by carriers would be running at least Jellybean 4.1 by now.

Edited 2013-01-04 02:20 UTC

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RE[2]: Trainwreck?
by Delgarde on Fri 4th Jan 2013 03:41 in reply to "RE: Trainwreck?"
Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

"Huh? What does "trainwreck" even mean?


It means that ICS being over a year old and only on about 30% of devices is pathetic.
"

Note that this isn't talking about new phones purchased - it's about *all* Android phones in use today. And because not everyone buys a new phone every week, that means there's a *lot* of old-model phones that simply aren't capable of running newer OS versions...

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Old versions of Android
by shotsman on Fri 4th Jan 2013 06:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Trainwreck?"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

The agerage man/woman in the street is

1) probably does not know what version of OS their phone is running
2) probably does not know if their phone supports a later version of the OS
3) probably does not know where to get updates/ new ROM's.
4) probably does not have the skill (or more importantly the patience) to load something like Cyanogen

Then there are makers still selling NEW phones with 2.3 installed AND there are no updates available from the maker to 3.x let alone 4.x

Thus, and in conclusion, is this really news?
Please note that I said 'The Average man/woman' and not the like of those who frequent places like this

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RE[2]: Trainwreck?
by geertjan on Fri 4th Jan 2013 12:32 in reply to "RE: Trainwreck?"
geertjan Member since:
2010-10-29

I'm a developer and have developed for many (mobile) platforms, and I can tell you Android is my favorite to program for. The fragmentation problem is very much exaggerated, it's hardly worse than on iOS.

It doesn't matter if only a small percentage of users are on iOS 4, you still have to be backwards compatible. So you have the same problems on iOS.

Backwards compatibility for Android 1 was a pain in the ass though. But since Android 2 it's easy to handle. And everyone programs for Android 2.2 or higher anyway now.

So the way I see it:

- Android developers are fine with Android fragmentation.
- Average Android users are fine with Android fragmentation (don't even know what an OS is, don't care about updates).
- Advanced Android users that do care about updates can get a Nexus device.

It seems the only people whining about it are non-Android users/developers.

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RE[3]: Trainwreck?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 4th Jan 2013 15:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Trainwreck?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

IOS, I would say is in someways worse. The current version of Xcode no longer has support for the iphone 3G or the first couple of generations of ipod touches. You simply can't do it ( without an incredible amount of hackery). So you either set up two dev stations and never ever update one to the newest version of xcode to do point releases on an app compatible with old and new. If you want to support newer features as well, you'd have to fork your app and submit it as a different one.

At least with Android you can create a one off version for that one customer still rocking donut without too much difficulty or requiring another computer.

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RE[3]: Trainwreck?
by qbast on Sat 5th Jan 2013 17:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Trainwreck?"
qbast Member since:
2010-02-08

You are fine, I am not. How do you provide good video streaming for Android? 3.x and higher have HLS support, so you can do adaptive streaming easily. Cool. But 2.x? Either Flash+OSMF (abysmal performance), RTSP (often blocked on 3G) or just mp4 over http - two last option are not adaptive (say hello to buffering and/or low quality). So yes, for me Android lack of updates is a big problem.

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RE[3]: Trainwreck?
by lustyd on Mon 7th Jan 2013 11:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Trainwreck?"
lustyd Member since:
2008-06-19

"It doesn't matter if only a small percentage of users are on iOS 4, you still have to be backwards compatible. So you have the same problems on iOS. "

I disagree. If a user is on iOS 4 then they know they have an old phone and they know they are out of date. When a user is on Android 2.3 they may have bought the phone that day meaning they think they have the latest and greatest. They will then find they cannot update to the latest. To the developer, this means that on iOS you may be forgiven for not supporting the older versions but on Android you definitely won't be.

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RE[2]: Trainwreck?
by bassbeast on Fri 4th Jan 2013 15:09 in reply to "RE: Trainwreck?"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Well suck it up and take it, its either this or the Apple and MSFT walled gardens...sigh. Anybody else feel like 2013 is gonna be the "year of suck" when it comes to tech?

As for why its dropped below 50% the answer is simple, the ARM chips capable of running Android 4 are now cheap enough to be in those $70 tablets. if it makes you feel any better they were showing $50 dual core tablets at the Hong Kong expo a few months back so by this time next year ARM chips will be cheap enough that they'll be able to sell Android 6 on the $50 tablets and $70 smartphones so the previous versions will die out fairly quickly.

Personally I'd rather have Android where I get a choice of devices and price points than a "choice" of an insanely overpriced Apple or a grossly insanely overpriced MSFT.

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RE[3]: Trainwreck?
by WorknMan on Fri 4th Jan 2013 18:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Trainwreck?"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Personally I'd rather have Android where I get a choice of devices and price points than a "choice" of an insanely overpriced Apple or a grossly insanely overpriced MSFT.


Is Android really any better in this regard though? If you want a device with an unlocked bootloader AND be able to install the latest Android OS whenever you want, you're pretty much stuck with Nexus devices. In that regard, iOS has more configuration options to choose from (black/white, 16-64gb, LTE, four different form factors, etc) than the Nexus devices give you.

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