Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd Jan 2013 23:38 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft's legal chief: "We continue to be dogged by an issue we had hoped would be resolved by now: Google continues to prevent Microsoft from offering consumers a fully featured YouTube app for the Windows Phone." Utter nonsense, since MetroTube offers a complete and full YouTube experience on Windows Phone (it's one of the best Windows Phone applications), and YouTube+ on Windows 8. Two fantastically rich applications, built by small ISVs - yet Microsoft can't do the same? Don't make me laugh. Coincidentally, Microsoft is also whining some more about Google's removal of ActiveSync - Redmond again refuses to acknowledge that all it needs to do is implement the open standards CalDAV and CardDAV, just like everyone else has done. Times have changed, Ballmer. You don't get to dictate the industry anymore.
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RE[6]: Not particularly...
by JAlexoid on Fri 4th Jan 2013 13:20 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Not particularly..."
JAlexoid
Member since:
2009-05-19

Forgiving Google for what?

For allowing only mobile IE to access YouTube? But not giving the convenience they provide for leading platforms?
For making it harder to setup new* devices from a competing company?(The one that chose only to have implemented their own licensed and proprietary protocol)

Forcing Microsoft to implement free and open standards or actually help develop those open standards is in my interest as well.


Do you think that IMAP Push would have been nowhere is EAS was not as widespread? The internet was built on free and open standards, Microsoft was never a positive element on that front.(from their own internet to promoting standards that include patent licensing)

*-Existing devices will not stop working, you know.

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RE[7]: Not particularly...
by Nelson on Fri 4th Jan 2013 14:45 in reply to "RE[6]: Not particularly..."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Forgiving Google for what?

For allowing only mobile IE to access YouTube? But not giving the convenience they provide for leading platforms?
For making it harder to setup new* devices from a competing company?(The one that chose only to have implemented their own licensed and proprietary protocol)


It isn't just Windows Phones affected. Anyone who does not want to use the Gmail app, but wants true push, used to use EAS. Specifically on the iPhone, it was THE way to do Gmail push there.

This isn't about open standards, or how much Google likes DAV or IMAP, its about pushing people to use the Gmail App.


Forcing Microsoft to implement free and open standards or actually help develop those open standards is in my interest as well.


Microsoft and Google earn equal marks for their support. Android does not support DAV. Again, Android does not support DAV. Android does not use IMAP for Push.

The same exact situation is true for Windows Phone.


Do you think that IMAP Push would have been nowhere is EAS was not as widespread? The internet was built on free and open standards, Microsoft was never a positive element on that front.(from their own internet to promoting standards that include patent licensing)


IMAP Push is a misnomer. There is no such thing as IMAP Push.


*-Existing devices will not stop working, you know.


I am well aware.

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RE[8]: Not particularly...
by JAlexoid on Sat 5th Jan 2013 13:00 in reply to "RE[7]: Not particularly..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

This isn't about open standards, or how much Google likes DAV or IMAP, its about pushing people to use the Gmail App.

If you want convenience you use GMail app.

it was THE way to do Gmail push there

Before GMail app.

Android does not support DAV. Again, Android does not support DAV. Android does not use IMAP for Push.

Out of the box - no.
However, due to Android's nature...
Google Calendar syncs to any CalDAV(that's how I get my Facebook friends birthdays on Android).
CalDAV and CardDAV apps are available for Android. Though nobody seems to use them.
K9 uses IMAP IDLE for push.

Google's own clients use their own protocol for "push". Actually "fat ping".

IMAP Push is a misnomer. There is no such thing as IMAP Push.

Not yet. It wasn't ratified. Though there needs to be an open standard based and good sync protocol. EAS could be it, but I understand why Microsoft wouldn't want to leave it.

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