Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jan 2013 21:28 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Ralf Rottmann is CTO and co-founder of the largest mobile application developer in Germany, Grandcentrix. He has more Apple devices than an Apple Store and thinks he's a fanboy - yet, he's switched to the Nexus 4 completely, stating that "the latest version of Android outshines the latest version of iOS in almost every single aspect". This line in particular rings true for me as a Windows Phone 8 and Android user: "whenever I grab my iPhone for testing purposes, iOS feels pretty old, outdated and less user friendly". This will most likely be dismissed as a troll by some, but it has to be said: iOS has become stale, bordering on being outdated, and lacks several crucial pieces of functionality, neatly detailed in Rottman's article. Apple has a lot of catching up to do, or it will be Mac OS all over again.
Thread beginning with comment 547340
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
Not impressed with iOS
by rklrkl on Sat 5th Jan 2013 01:55 UTC
rklrkl
Member since:
2005-07-06

I actually decided to have a delve into a work iPhone 4 that needed upgrading to iOS 6 and it was a fascinating insight (I started from a clean wipe because it was an old phone from someone who had left).

I was shocked how much personal information you have to give to Apple just to set the thing up. On Android, it's basically your country, wi-fi settings and your Gmail username/password - on iOS, it's a lot more. Plus the amount of e-mail Apple send to your account as you go through the process is appalling.

The upgrade process was very painful - I ended up with a PC running Windows and the godawful iTunes software (Apple are *disgraceful* with their interface on Windows iTunes - totally non-intuitive and not enough feedback on what's going on). After many blank screens, lack of progress, multiple reboots etc., I finally got iOS 6 on the phone. I have never, ever seen a mobile phone with a worse upgrade procedure.

Booted into it and to be honest, it seemed a very limited UI with an awful lot of non-obvious gestures etc. that apparently you're supposed to learn by ESP or something. Staggeringly, the home screen doesn't rotate (something Google also got wrong in the first Jelly Bean release, but later fixed).

I actually had to Google how to lock/unlock the screen rotation because it is so ludicrously undiscoverable (and, no, after a rotation unlock, the home screen *still* wouldn't go to landscape - 100% pathetic from Apple there). It's apparently: press the hardware button at the bottom then swipe left-to-right and then click on the non-obvious left-most icon (no text label folks). It's *not* in the Settings section of iOS at all!

I'd pooh-poohed iOS having played with it for a few minutes at a time, but having setup and used it for a few hours, I'm actually even more astonished that people think it's any good. Yes, it's "pretty", but its customisation is virtually non-existent, it's lacking several important features (widgets anyone? And it took them 5-odd major releases to add notifications pull down to the status bar - WTF?!) and too much is obscurely tucked away, IMHO.

The iTunes store is frankly rubbish for its banning of certain apps - no non-Webkit browsers (Firefox anyone? Currently the best mobile browser, IMHO), no emulators (Beebdroid, MAMEdroid and other such wonderful projects are a no-show on iTunes) and nothing "root-style" (equivs of superuser, adblock plus, etc.).

My conclusion is that both ICS and Jelly Bean have technically overtaken iOS 6 by some considerable distance. Strangely, I've used Android 2 as well and never had all this "non-buttery" issues that people kept claiming for any pre-JB version of Android.

My suspicion is that people were using Android 2 on really low-end phones/tablets (like less than half the speed of mid-ranges ones) and somehow the IT media perpetuated this myth that all Android devices prior to JB were uselessly stuttery!

Edited 2013-01-05 01:56 UTC

Reply Score: 5

RE: Not impressed with iOS
by kwan_e on Sat 5th Jan 2013 03:39 in reply to "Not impressed with iOS"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

On Android, it's basically your country, wi-fi settings and your Gmail username/password - on iOS, it's a lot more.


To be fair, you kind of sell your soul when you got that Gmail account.

Plus the amount of e-mail Apple send to your account as you go through the process is appalling.


Is there an app that plays the Get Smart theme while you are going through that process?

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: Not impressed with iOS
by _txf_ on Sat 5th Jan 2013 03:46 in reply to "RE: Not impressed with iOS"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Is there an app that plays the Get Smart theme while you are going through that process?


There could be, but you wouldn't be able to multitask correctly to do so...

Reply Parent Score: 5

RE[2]: Not impressed with iOS
by unoengborg on Sun 6th Jan 2013 05:51 in reply to "RE: Not impressed with iOS"
unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

No, you don't sell your soul, you only sell what you decide to put inte that gmail account. You could use any other mail service, including the one you set up on your own server at home.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: Not impressed with iOS
by glarepate on Sun 6th Jan 2013 21:45 in reply to "RE: Not impressed with iOS"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

I, unfairly, sold Google the soul of a made up person called Olden Inyoué when I set up gmail. Olden lives in the town across the river from me in a different state.

No reason to give them any info I'm not comfortable sharing. Olden didn't object though ...

Reply Parent Score: 5

RE: Not impressed with iOS
by unclefester on Sat 5th Jan 2013 04:29 in reply to "Not impressed with iOS"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13


My suspicion is that people were using Android 2 on really low-end phones/tablets (like less than half the speed of mid-ranges ones) and somehow the IT media perpetuated this myth that all Android devices prior to JB were uselessly stuttery!


I've got a very low spec Android phone (Samsung Galaxy Mini - 192MB RAM, 600MHz CPU Android 2.36). It works perfectly adequately

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE: Not impressed with iOS
by MOS6510 on Sat 5th Jan 2013 05:52 in reply to "Not impressed with iOS"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

A while ago you posted a story that was even more flawed than this one. These flaws were pointed out, by several people, but you never bothered to reply.

Now you have posted it again, but made some changes so it looks a little less "strange".

But it's still flawed. It contains errors, inaccuracies and illogical events.

I could list them again or refer to my comments I made on the first version of your story.

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE: Not impressed with iOS
by leos on Sat 5th Jan 2013 23:53 in reply to "Not impressed with iOS"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

After many blank screens, lack of progress, multiple reboots etc., I finally got iOS 6 on the phone. I have never, ever seen a mobile phone with a worse upgrade procedure.


Your nonsense story was already disproven last time you posted it. But the facts speak for themselves in that uptake of new iOS versions is massive and quick. Hence, if you find the process confusing and painful then it is you that is the problem, not the process. Clearly the majority of regular consumers can do it just fine.

My conclusion is that both ICS and Jelly Bean have technically overtaken iOS 6 by some considerable distance. Strangely, I've used Android 2 as well and never had all this "non-buttery" issues that people kept claiming for any pre-JB version of Android.


If you didn't notice you weren't paying attention. Previous Android releases were not smooth at all, and I don't even think 4.1 is anything great. We have a nexus 7 at work, and the home screen is smooth, but the two key uses: web browsing and maps are jittery and slow. My iPhone 4 (2.5 years old by now) scrolls smoother than a brand new Nexus 7 on the web.

As for the Nexus 4, it looks like a nice device. Have they fixed the hardware yet? http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=39936
I don't see any reason to upgrade from the iPhone though as I wouldn't gain any features. Next step for me is LTE, and if I'm going Android I'm never going to choose anything but a real Google device. As the author correctly pointed out, every other vendor ruins the android experience with their own nonsense. So currently there is no real Android LTE phone out there.

Edited 2013-01-05 23:58 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: Not impressed with iOS
by MOS6510 on Sun 6th Jan 2013 10:07 in reply to "RE: Not impressed with iOS"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

He never borrowed an iPhone.

Apparently he he borrowed it from work, it was someone else's and needed to be upgraded. This guy doesn't have any iPhone/iOS experience, doesn't have Windows/OS X and iTunes. I'm sure they have at least Windows at work, but he took it home where he didn't have it.

After upgrading it, which he did do in a different way than just plugging it in and clicking "Yes", he registered it in his own name and either added his credit card or bought iTunes credit to check out apps. This makes no sense if the phone is intended for someone else.

Apart from that, most his gripes with iOS are BS. He should get over 100 "inaccurate" mod downs, but instead gets modded up because he slams an Apple product. It seems he just made up a few things and googled issues of iOS' past and made up a rant. This rant he posted twice, twice full of holes, twice no attempt at plugging them.

But should he REALLY get an iPhone the good news is that there are emulators. The ZX Spectrum, Atari 2600 and Commodore 64 are covered. Granted they are difficult to find, but if you use the secret search term "emulator" you will find them very quickly.

Reply Parent Score: 5

RE: Not impressed with iOS
by ze_jerkface on Sun 6th Jan 2013 05:48 in reply to "Not impressed with iOS"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

I ended up with a PC running Windows and the godawful iTunes software (Apple are *disgraceful* with their interface on Windows iTunes - totally non-intuitive and not enough feedback on what's going on).


I honestly think that is the worst part about owning an iPhone. The interface is clearly an FU to Windows users. Oh and Apple fans please don't tell me about *alternative X* when we both know that none of the alternatives provide 100% functionality.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: Not impressed with iOS
by MOS6510 on Sun 6th Jan 2013 20:27 in reply to "RE: Not impressed with iOS"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

You can use/update/backup/restore an iPhone without iTunes these days.

Before that a lot of people rarely if ever hooked up their iPhone to their computer anyway.

Reply Parent Score: 2