Linked by the_randymon on Mon 7th Jan 2013 18:56 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes The mostly-morubund Hurd project is well known for what it's not: the kernel at the heart of the GNU/Linux system. But there's a long and interesting story about what it could have been, too. From Linux User magazine: "The design of the Hurd was an attempt to embody the spirit and promise of the free software movement in code." Those are mighty ambitions, and this story is as much about competing visions as competing kernels. Says Thomas Bushnell: "My first choice was to take the BSD 4.4-Lite release and make a kernel. I knew the code, I knew how to do it. It is now perfectly obvious to me that this would have succeeded splendidly and the world would be a very different place today." This is a well-written and fascinating read.
Thread beginning with comment 547784
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE[3]: Re:
by Laurence on Tue 8th Jan 2013 13:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Re:"
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

Oh I know how and why GNU/Linux came about and I'm well versed on the workings of Linux. And I do fully agree with the point you're making, but sadly that's all irrelevant as it's a term GNU/Linux is now out there and recognised.

It's a bit like how I think "cloud" is a dumb term, but people (nerds) understand it so it's stuck. If I was to constantly refer to Facebook as a web2.0 re-imagining of TSS then few people would understand. However most computer literate people know what a "cloud" is.

Sometimes our search for literal correctness is held back by our ability to explain concisely to a wider audience.

Edited 2013-01-08 13:49 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[4]: Re:
by Alfman on Tue 8th Jan 2013 15:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Re:"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Laurence,

"Oh I know how and why GNU/Linux came about and I'm well versed on the workings of Linux. And I do fully agree with the point you're making, but sadly that's all irrelevant as it's a term GNU/Linux is now out there and recognised."


Meh, I benefit from both and I couldn't care less what people want to call it. It's rare that people cannot figure it out from the context. If non-gnu userspace linux kernel distros became widely popular, then there'd be a plausible case of ambiguity, but until then I don't care about pedantry.


"However most computer literate people know what a 'cloud' is."

I'm not convinced it means anything at all ;)
Seriously it's been used for SAAS, CPU Virtualization, outsourced file storage, web apps, and even for streaming music. It seems that anything running on the internet might be described as "running in the cloud". Hey folks, now you can talk to your friends in the cloud - it's called IRC. It's all marketing, IBM has been pioneering "clouds" for decades.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[5]: Re:
by Laurence on Tue 8th Jan 2013 15:34 in reply to "RE[4]: Re:"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Seriously it's been used for SAAS, CPU Virtualization, outsourced file storage, web apps, and even for streaming music. It seems that anything running on the internet might be described as "running in the cloud". Hey folks, now you can talk to your friends in the cloud - it's called IRC. It's all marketing, IBM has been pioneering "clouds" for decades.

That was largely my point about TSS ;)


Meh, I benefit from both and I couldn't care less what people want to call it. It's rare that people cannot figure it out from the context. If non-gnu userspace linux kernel distros became widely popular, then there'd be a plausible case of ambiguity, but until then I don't care about pedantry.

Fair point. I like that attitude.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[5]: Re:
by zima on Sat 12th Jan 2013 19:27 in reply to "RE[4]: Re:"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

"However most computer literate people know what a 'cloud' is."
I'm not convinced it means anything at all ;)
Seriously it's been used for SAAS, CPU Virtualization, outsourced file storage, web apps, and even for streaming music. It seems that anything running on the internet might be described as "running in the cloud". Hey folks, now you can talk to your friends in the cloud - it's called IRC. It's all marketing, IBM has been pioneering "clouds" for decades.

I often hope that we, ~geeks, would get together and popularise another term: "fog". Seems kinda more apt ;)

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[4]: Re:
by zima on Sat 12th Jan 2013 19:17 in reply to "RE[3]: Re:"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

It's a bit like how I think "cloud" is a dumb term, but people (nerds) understand it so it's stuck.

"Fog" can be more accurate, perhaps...

(and I would also ask about TSS, but I see it was already asked & answered)

Reply Parent Score: 2