Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 5th Jan 2013 14:53 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y And so this situation is starting to get ridiculous - and consumers are, as usual, caught in the middle of it all. Google has just blocked Windows Phone devices from accessing Google Maps on their phones. In addition, it also seems Windows Phone users are now restricted to the basic HTML version of the mobile GMail website. While understandable from a defensive perspective - Microsoft's extortion scheme targeting Android device makers and all that - it's still a massive dick move that only hurts consumers. Update: the media attention has worked - Google is backpedalling, and will remove the redirect. "We periodically test Google Maps compatibility with mobile browsers to make sure we deliver the best experience for those users. In our last test, IE mobile still did not offer a good maps experience with no ability to pan or zoom and perform basic map functionality. As a result, we chose to continue to redirect IE mobile users to Google.com where they could at least make local searches. The Firefox mobile browser did offer a somewhat better user experience and that’s why there is no redirect for those users. Recent improvements to IE mobile and Google Maps now deliver a better experience and we are currently working to remove the redirect. We will continue to test Google Maps compatibility with other mobile browsers to ensure the best possible experience for users."
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RE: it's about time
by UltraZelda64 on Tue 8th Jan 2013 17:29 UTC in reply to "it's about time"
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In case you haven't yet noticed, this is the unofficial "feel sorry and kiss Microsoft's ass" thread, where everyone willfully ignores Microsoft's rich and crooked history to instead perceive them as little angels who can do no wrong, instead ganging up to collectively slam Google. You're a few months/years too late; almost everyone seems to have completely jumped ship onto another hate train. It looks like it is time to move on, because by this point Microsoft bashing will only get you modded down... Google bashing is where it's at these days. It's like a sudden change of religion.

The very browser family/rendering engine in question would be much lower in importance in the world if it hadn't gained its position illegally in the first place, through the leveraging of another monopoly--but apparently the past no longer matters in the slightest bit. Never mind that this only effects the default browser of a relatively obscure phone OS, and other browsers even on that same OS would not have been affected.

Edited 2013-01-08 17:39 UTC

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RE[2]: it's about time
by smashIt on Tue 8th Jan 2013 18:23 in reply to "RE: it's about time"
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2005-07-06

The very browser family/rendering engine in question would be much lower in importance in the world if it hadn't gained its position illegally in the first place, through the leveraging of another monopoly--but apparently the past no longer matters in the slightest bit.


you can repeat it as often as you want, but ms didn't need any illegal tactics against netscape
netscape just killed itselfe after 3.x

a quote from wikipedia:
The aging Netscape Communicator 4.x was slower than Internet Explorer 5.0. Typical web pages had become heavily illustrated, often JavaScript-intensive, and encoded with HTML features designed for specific purposes but now employed as global layout tools (HTML tables, the most obvious example of this, were especially difficult for Communicator to render). The Netscape browser, once a solid product, became crash-prone and buggy; for example, some versions re-downloaded an entire web page to re-render it when the browser window was re-sized (a nuisance to dial-up users), and the browser would usually crash when the page contained simple Cascading Style Sheets. Moreover, Netscape Communicator's browser interface design appeared dated in comparison to Internet Explorer and interface changes in Microsoft and Apple's operating systems.

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RE[3]: it's about time
by UltraZelda64 on Tue 8th Jan 2013 18:43 in reply to "RE[2]: it's about time"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Nice way to spin it. If that were the case, if products truly won market share based on their actual merits alone, then Windows itself would not have gained its monopoly in the way it did. And Microsoft would have never needed to use illegal tactics with its monopoly power to crush all competition before it even has time to exist as a threat on the market through strong-arming OEMs (BeOS?). Opera never went anywhere--if Microsoft didn't have the entire world by the balls with their Windows/Office/IE tri-monopoly, people would have been able to switch to it with no problem.

Hell, if a product had to be technically superior to win, Windows' own predecessor--MS-DOS--would not even have been the dominant operating system. Instead, that entire class of operating systems would be seen as the complete piece of shit that it is. Of course, Microsoft's lucky timing and deal with IBM, combined with hardware limitations of the original IBM PC, sealed history--and Microsoft's cheap tactics solidified them as a monopoly in many areas for decades to come.

It's about damn time for their eventual collapse, or at least significant reduction in power. It's what the world needed at least a decade ago.

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RE[2]: it's about time
by WereCatf on Tue 8th Jan 2013 21:04 in reply to "RE: it's about time"
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2006-02-15

In case you haven't yet noticed, this is the unofficial "feel sorry and kiss Microsoft's ass" thread, where everyone willfully ignores Microsoft's rich and crooked history to instead perceive them as little angels who can do no wrong


I'm sorry, could you please point me to where anyone here has said anything even remotely like that?

You're a few months/years too late; almost everyone seems to have completely jumped ship onto another hate train.


I see atleast you maintain yourself in the old train. But I don't really see these others you claim to have jumped onto another train; I see people who defend or bash whichever party or action that deserves it at any then-current moment. I, for example, do not hate either company -- I dislike both of their antics, I do recognize the wrongs Microsoft has done, but I will still choose to defend them when they deserve it.

Hating some party blindly is for children.

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RE[3]: it's about time
by UltraZelda64 on Tue 8th Jan 2013 22:27 in reply to "RE[2]: it's about time"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

I'm sorry, could you please point me to where anyone here has said anything even remotely like that?

Just an observation I've noticed from the time this news item went up, both in the modding and the comments themselves, and also in several other Microsoft/Google news stories lately.

I see atleast you maintain yourself in the old train. But I don't really see these others you claim to have jumped onto another train; I see people who defend or bash whichever party or action that deserves it at any then-current moment. I, for example, do not hate either company -- I dislike both of their antics, I do recognize the wrongs Microsoft has done, but I will still choose to defend them when they deserve it.

Hating some party blindly is for children.

I wouldn't exactly say that I "hate" Microsoft, nor are any of my thoughts on them "blind." I have developed a strongly deserved distrust and disrespect toward them over the years from the various vile and wicked misdeeds they've unleashed on the world.

For everything good they do over the years that makes me commend them and lighten this hostility, they do something far worse that just reeks of their old tactics. For example, I have praised the hell out of Microsoft for their stance on the DNT header (although I believe that the standard is nothing more than a joke). They need to earn their trust and respect back--I don't just pass it out overnight like candy. So far for every step in the right direction they take two steps backward, and occasionally they still do something that's of pretty much the same level of "bad" that they used to do and Apple just loves to do now.

Trust me... when Microsoft truly changes and regains my trust by acting like a halfway-decent corporation and once they have proved over time that they truly mean it, then what they did in the past and my overall negative view of them will all be history. But they keep proving, time and time again, that so far that's just not happening.

I do not forget or forgive easily... and respect is earned, not just given. They are getting better in several ways, but continue to do what IMO are 100% unforgivable actions that reek of the past, of the same old giant.

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