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Windows So, a rudimentary jailbreak for Windows RT made its way onto the web these past few days. Open source applications were ported right away, and it was confirmed that Windows RT is the full Windows - it's exactly the same as regular Windows, except that it runs on ARM. Microsoft responded to the jailbreak as well.
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RE: Comment by saso
by WorknMan on Wed 9th Jan 2013 02:03 UTC in reply to "Comment by saso"
WorknMan
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What's the added value of Metro apps over, say, Android, which has much more software available for it and is far less developer hostile (since it gives you lots more freedom on how to develop software for it).


For me, the potential for running the same apps on desktop and tablet (and hopefully phone in the future) holds a lot of appeal. Granted, I don't want to run things like Visual Studio, but I LOVE being able to get Facebook notifications via the built-in Messenger app on Windows 8. I wish I had this same functionality for all of my phone and tablet apps. For example, if I have a grocery list app on my phone, I don't have to worry about if it has an online sync component if I want to use it on my desktop - I just fire up the same app on the desktop, and save the list to Skydrive. As it is, if I want to be able to share data from apps between my Android phone/tablet and the desktop, I'm usually relegated to some shitty web app, that may require a browser extension or three just to make it usable. Granted, Metro apps are still in their infancy, but I hope it matures into a decent app ecosystem.

As for running 'classic' desktop apps on a tablet, even if I COULD do this, would I really want to? I usually don't walk around with a keyboard and mouse in my back pocket ;)

Edited 2013-01-09 02:07 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by saso
by Morgan on Wed 9th Jan 2013 05:38 in reply to "RE: Comment by saso"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

As for running 'classic' desktop apps on a tablet, even if I COULD do this, would I really want to? I usually don't walk around with a keyboard and mouse in my back pocket ;)



Why not, when this is available? http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Handheld-Keyboard-Multi-Touchpad-Po...

I have one for my Raspberry Pi and it works amazingly well. So far I've only had to charge it twice in three weeks, including the initial charge, and the laser pointer is fun for messing with my fiancee's dog.

They also make a USB wireless version for use with computers without Bluetooth, though this one does come with a Bluetooth dongle as a nice bonus.

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RE[3]: Comment by saso
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 9th Jan 2013 15:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by saso"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

How is the keypress on the keyboard itself? It looks bad from the pictures. I have a bluetooth keyboard right now that's just terrible to type with. I'm faster with onscreen keyboards than it. I'm not asking for a model m, but something with some action and speed would be enough for me.

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RE[2]: Comment by saso
by saso on Wed 9th Jan 2013 22:43 in reply to "RE: Comment by saso"
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2007-04-18

For me, the potential for running the same apps on desktop and tablet (and hopefully phone in the future) holds a lot of appeal.

But you can't, can you? Save for a "handful" of brand new Metro apps, the vast bulk of Windows software doesn't run on both. Essentially, it's like saying that you're going to buy a computer now in the hopes that at some point in the future you hope somebody will develop something that will run on both your tablet and your PC.

Granted, I don't want to run things like Visual Studio, but I LOVE being able to get Facebook notifications via the built-in Messenger app on Windows 8.

This, so far, isn't an argument for Windows 8, it's just about a messaging and notification frame that doesn't suck. Android 4.2, for instance, already has that (you can respond to notifications, including responding to messages, directly from the notifications panel).

I wish I had this same functionality for all of my phone and tablet apps.

On Android 4.2 you do, for both phones and tablets.

For example, if I have a grocery list app on my phone, I don't have to worry about if it has an online sync component if I want to use it on my desktop - I just fire up the same app on the desktop, and save the list to Skydrive. As it is, if I want to be able to share data from apps between my Android phone/tablet and the desktop, I'm usually relegated to some shitty web app, that may require a browser extension or three just to make it usable. Granted, Metro apps are still in their infancy, but I hope it matures into a decent app ecosystem.

What does the UI have to do with app functionality? If you're developing an app for grocery lists that integrates across devices, you'd be crazy to tie it to some Windows-specific functionality (and automatically kill most of your market). Most all software is developed in two tiers here, a generic back-end, and a specific UI front-end. Metro only lowers the barriers for UI design, but it in no way eases the problems with data sharing.

As for running 'classic' desktop apps on a tablet, even if I COULD do this, would I really want to? I usually don't walk around with a keyboard and mouse in my back pocket ;)

Why would you be carrying those around? How about a wireless dock? I already have a 27'' Samsung "wireless dock" monitor with UWB. Get within a few feet of it with my laptop and it automatically hooks up my monitor, sound, USB ports with keyboard and mouse and network to it, no need to attach cables, or even take the machine out of the bag. Now imagine being able to do so with your tablet, or better yet, phone! Noo, clearly, why would anybody want to do that?

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RE[3]: Comment by saso
by WorknMan on Thu 10th Jan 2013 00:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by saso"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

For me, the potential for running the same apps on desktop and tablet (and hopefully phone in the future) holds a lot of appeal.

But you can't, can you? Save for a "handful" of brand new Metro apps, the vast bulk of Windows software doesn't run on both. Essentially, it's like saying that you're going to buy a computer now in the hopes that at some point in the future you hope somebody will develop something that will run on both your tablet and your PC.


Well, of course I can't do that YET, which is the reason why I'm still running Android ;) And I'm not even sure Metro will pan out into a mature ecosystem, but I hope it does.

If you're developing an app for grocery lists that integrates across devices, you'd be crazy to tie it to some Windows-specific functionality (and automatically kill most of your market). Most all software is developed in two tiers here, a generic back-end, and a specific UI front-end. Metro only lowers the barriers for UI design, but it in no way eases the problems with data sharing.


I think you're missing the point here. I tried about a dozen different grocery apps on Android until I found one I liked. But it has absolutely no online sync functionality whatsoever, so I can't input items on my computer with a real keyboard, as I would like. The todo list app I use DOES have online sync, but the web interface is kind of janky. I guess I could use something like Bluestacks, but then how do I get my data and settings over to the phone/tablet? Now, if all the Android apps I used where I wished to have interoperability with my desktop had slick web frontends that made data input seamlis on the desktop, you and I would not be having this conversation, except for apps like Google Plus et al, where I want desktop notifications WITHOUT needing a goddamn extension for whatever browser I'm using.

With Metro, every app that you have on a tablet will automatically work on the desktop, and most of them let you save to Skydrive, which makes swapping back and forth a breeze. I'm hoping they'll eventually port all this to Windows Phone as well.

Obviously, I understand that this is mostly theoretical at this point, since there aren't a lot of useful apps out yet. I'm just speaking of the potential of it all and why I am excited about Metro, not what the situation is right now. If I'm running Windows-only devices, I don't care if the stuff uses only Windows technology. In fact, I would consider that a bonus.

Edited 2013-01-10 00:19 UTC

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