Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jan 2013 23:27 UTC
Windows So, a rudimentary jailbreak for Windows RT made its way onto the web these past few days. Open source applications were ported right away, and it was confirmed that Windows RT is the full Windows - it's exactly the same as regular Windows, except that it runs on ARM. Microsoft responded to the jailbreak as well.
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RE[7]: Comment by saso
by BluenoseJake on Wed 9th Jan 2013 10:27 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by saso"
BluenoseJake
Member since:
2005-08-11

No window management = pile of shit. As simple as that. Unless Metro gets proper window management, it's nothing but a pointless toy on desktops/laptops.


I don't think that it is as simple as that. Most non technical users use one app at a time, maximized. They might have several apps open, but they switch back and forth, they don't do window management, they do application management.

We are not normal users. Don't get fooled into thinking that because we do something one way, that the entire computing base do things in the same way, if that was the case, the market would look entirely different.

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RE[8]: Comment by saso
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 9th Jan 2013 10:38 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by saso"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I don't think that it is as simple as that. Most non technical users use one app at a time, maximized. They might have several apps open, but they switch back and forth, they don't do window management, they do application management.


This is not my experience - at all. Virtually everyone I know uses multiple windows at least for some tasks, and even when they maximise, the taskbar still *delivers context*. In Metro, everything, even anchor elements like the task switcher, is hidden away, only available through clicks or gestures.

It adds a lot of overhead to everything, especially when you add desktop applications into the mix. You can't switch straight to your desktop application from a Metro application - no, you first have to bring up the application switcher, select the desktop, and only *then* can you select the proper application.

It's an overly complicated cumbersome mess.

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RE[9]: Comment by saso
by Sodki on Wed 9th Jan 2013 11:35 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by saso"
Sodki Member since:
2005-11-10

"I don't think that it is as simple as that. Most non technical users use one app at a time, maximized. They might have several apps open, but they switch back and forth, they don't do window management, they do application management.


This is not my experience - at all. Virtually everyone I know uses multiple windows at least for some tasks, and even when they maximise, the taskbar still *delivers context*. In Metro, everything, even anchor elements like the task switcher, is hidden away, only available through clicks or gestures.

It adds a lot of overhead to everything, especially when you add desktop applications into the mix. You can't switch straight to your desktop application from a Metro application - no, you first have to bring up the application switcher, select the desktop, and only *then* can you select the proper application.

It's an overly complicated cumbersome mess.
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My own experience with Windows 8 went like this:

1. Opening the Desktop and using Windows Explorer to browse a folder with pictures;
2. Double-click one picture, to open it;
3. The picture opens up in a full-screen Metro application. So far so good;
4. Spend 5 minutes trying to go back to where I was before, in Desktop mode;
5. Pressing Escape sent me to the Metro application, I was basically stuck with it. Then I found out that I could use Alt-F4, but there was no visual indication whatsoever;
6. Something similar happened when I tried playing a sample MP3 file;
7. Giving up on Windows 8 forever.

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RE[9]: Comment by saso
by BluenoseJake on Wed 9th Jan 2013 12:46 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by saso"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Most of the people I work with, in my department at a University (118 employees, several dozen students) work that way, it drives me crazy, but that's they way they are. In all the other jobs I've had (I'm 41, I've been doing this for awhile now) it's been the same way. Users just don't do window management, for the most part. Power users, sure, Geeks, sure, but the 30 yr old receptionist? No way.

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RE[9]: Comment by saso
by avgalen on Wed 9th Jan 2013 14:01 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by saso"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

[quote]It adds a lot of overhead to everything, especially when you add desktop applications into the mix. You can't switch straight to your desktop application from a Metro application - no, you first have to bring up the application switcher, select the desktop, and only *then* can you select the proper application.[/quote]
Or you can just press ALT+TAB, like we have done since.....Windows 95 at least.

I really loved the way Windows 7 added "pin to left/right 50%" and I also don't like how apps works on big screens (the 25%/75% is useless to me). But the above is just misinformation

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