Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jan 2013 23:27 UTC
Windows So, a rudimentary jailbreak for Windows RT made its way onto the web these past few days. Open source applications were ported right away, and it was confirmed that Windows RT is the full Windows - it's exactly the same as regular Windows, except that it runs on ARM. Microsoft responded to the jailbreak as well.
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RE[7]: Comment by saso
by Nelson on Wed 9th Jan 2013 17:23 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by saso"
Nelson
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2005-11-29


Didn't I just say that mobile device are irrelevant in this context? Try using a 24" display, sitting on the table along with a keyboard, mouse and all the usual desktop accessories and see how much you like reaching over all those to poke at the screen.


You saying mobile devices are irrelevant does not make them so. If you're in a minority and use a 24 inch display (And you are undoubtedly the minority, according to Microsofts usage data) then there are a variety of peripheral solutions ranging from gesture enabled track pad addons to Kinect-like motion detection, to eye detection, to multi touch mice.

Or you can just do what I do and get Windows 8 drivers for your Synaptics track pad if they're out. My drivers at least are not brain dead (ie: Left swipe on my trackpad is a left swipe on Windows, and swipes from the edges of the Trackpad bring up charms)

That, and I think it is silly to assume that even large screen form factors wont evolve. All-In-Ones will likely need to face a rethinking of their interaction models to fit with our new touch enabled future.

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RE[8]: Comment by saso
by WereCatf on Wed 9th Jan 2013 18:17 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by saso"
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2006-02-15

You saying mobile devices are irrelevant does not make them so.


*sigh* Do you do that on a purpose or are you just daft? I clearly said "in this context" as I have been talking about the desktop all the time -- not mobile devices.

If you're in a minority and use a 24 inch display (And you are undoubtedly the minority, according to Microsofts usage data)


How large is this "minority" in question, though? Even if 10% of Windows-users used a 17"+ display we'd be talking about tens of millions of people.

Or you can just do what I do and get Windows 8 drivers for your Synaptics track pad if they're out.


Most desktop computers do not ship with track-pads.

That, and I think it is silly to assume that even large screen form factors wont evolve.


Oh, they will evolve eventually, but it's equally silly to assume that touch is the solution. It's not something you can fix on the software-side of things when the limitations are in the real world, it would take something completely new and, well, that doesn't exist yet.

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RE[9]: Comment by saso
by Nelson on Wed 9th Jan 2013 19:55 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by saso"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


*sigh* Do you do that on a purpose or are you just daft? I clearly said "in this context" as I have been talking about the desktop all the time -- not mobile devices.


Its easy to single out a minority demographic and craft a criticism. You can criticize any operating system for not meeting the needs of a configuration if you limit the scope enough.



How large is this "minority" in question, though? Even if 10% of Windows-users used a 17"+ display we'd be talking about tens of millions of people.


I think you're asking the wrong question. The correct question is how far along are those people in the Upgrade Cycles of their PCs? How soon will they purchase a new machine all together?

Will that new PC be a Desktop? How many new purchases of PCs are Desktops with 24 inch screens?

How many of them will be sold or advertised without the peripherals I noted as possible solutions?

That's the important question. Microsoft likely clearly saw that the trends were pointing towards a waning interest in Desktop computing and accepted a new reality that mobile computing devices are the future.


Most desktop computers do not ship with track-pads.


That was in general, but there are plenty of Mouses, especially the better ones by Microsoft that augment the experience by adding touch enabled interactions.


Oh, they will evolve eventually, but it's equally silly to assume that touch is the solution. It's not something you can fix on the software-side of things when the limitations are in the real world, it would take something completely new and, well, that doesn't exist yet.


I think when the churn in PC upgrade cycles are realized, you'll see devices which include touch as an increasingly useful interaction method.

A majority of these will likely be touch enabled Laptops or multi purpose convertibles.

I don't see Desktops playing a major role in the future. Tablets are going to do to Laptops what Laptops did to Desktops, probably over the next few release cycles.

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