Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jan 2013 23:45 UTC
Games The Verge got to interview Valve's CEO, Gabe Newell, and the priceless quotes are just flying left and right. "We'll come out with our own and we'll sell it to consumers by ourselves. That'll be a Linux box, [and] if you want to install Windows you can. We're not going to make it hard. This is not some locked box by any stretch of the imagination." Others will be making Steambox devices too. Also: "Windows 8 was like this giant sadness. It just hurts everybody in the PC business. [...] When I started using it I was like 'oh my god...' I find [Windows 8] unusable." This last point is something I agree with vehemently. Can't comment on Windows 8 on tablets, but on regular PCs it's a schizophrenic, unusable clusterduck. It got me to switch back to Mac and use KDE (on my laptop). Let that sink in for a while.
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RE[4]: Comment
by Nelson on Wed 9th Jan 2013 17:34 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

I think the criticism of it on a non-Touch device is severely overblown.

I dogfood Windows 8 full time on a developer machine, and as a developer, I can hardly think of any usecase that would require more productivity. I think it stresses it pretty well.

I just use the right tool for the job. For example, if I want a full screen browsing experience for content consumption, I'll dip into Metro IE.

If I need to view many tabs at a glance very quickly (say if I have 4-5 MSDN tabs open, a couple more tabs with some stats on app downloasds across WP/W8/PubCenter/AdMob/AdDuplex, and a couple instances of VS open) then I'll use Desktop IE.

Similarly if I'm doing hardcore file management I'll use explorer, but if I just want to browse for an image on my PC, or on SkyDrive or something I'll use the Search Charm with App Pickers.

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RE[5]: Comment
by JAlexoid on Thu 10th Jan 2013 01:53 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Problem is that Modern UI is supposed to be the main UI. It's overblown only if you look at criticism from that side. Mouse and keyboard use with Modern UI is a sub-par experience in general and very annoying in too many(read - enough to remember) user facing cases.

PS: Fullscreen IE is as Modern UI as the content you're consuming - it's not(even Microsoft's own site)

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RE[6]: Comment
by Nelson on Thu 10th Jan 2013 03:17 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Problem is that Modern UI is supposed to be the main UI. It's overblown only if you look at criticism from that side. Mouse and keyboard use with Modern UI is a sub-par experience in general and very annoying in too many(read - enough to remember) user facing cases.


Like I said, that may be your opinion, or your stick to beat Windows 8 with, but its certainly not my experience. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anything which impacted my productivity as a developer and I get along fine.

Obviously if you need functionality that exists outside of the new Metro bits, you are well within your rights to use the Classic Experience.

In the case of Visual Studio that's what I do. I'm sure I could find some Web Browser shell on the Windows Store that shows me tabs the way I want them, but I just haven't bothered.


PS: Fullscreen IE is as Modern UI as the content you're consuming - it's not(even Microsoft's own site)


Metro IE is easier for me to navigate when just doing content consumption. I have a Microsoft Touch Mouse which makes a lot of these gestures and esp. scrolling really easy for me to use.

I highly suggest it if your Windows 8 experience is as frustrating as you suggest.

Edited 2013-01-10 03:19 UTC

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